Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? - Page 39

Arpy · May 25 2010, 05:28 AM

DevilEyes wrote:

flemm wrote:

Even that is probably a simplistic reading. A lot of people watching TNG weren't watching it because it had Star Trek in the name, but because it was practically the only show of its kind on the air, and many people still watched network television exclusively. By the end of TNG's run, Trek had started competing against itself, and there were a lot more sci-fi/fantasy shows on tv.

Many people who aren't Trek fans and don't even know much about the franchise are familiar with TNG (same goes for TOS, but mostly through movies rather than the show), which suggests that TNG was a ratings success not because it had a huge built-in audience, but because it attracted a lot of casual viewers and non-Trek fans. Most of those people didn't watch every episode of the show, they watched some of it and are familiar with the characters (Picard, Data...).

Now wait just a damn minute, as Dr McCoy would say. Although scifi's taken off since, in part due to the success of TNG, there was still quite a bit of science-fiction on television at the time. Why weren't the other series as big a success? TNG was a hit not because it was the only TV of its kind but because it was great TV period. Credit where due, people.

MoonWater · May 25 2010, 05:44 AM

Alright here's my unpopular opinions:

I actually really like wesely and nelix

I'm not picard vs. kirk; I'm picard vs. janeway and I think voyager was almost as good a series as TNG(it loses a notch only because TNG was better written.)

oh, and one more that will be pure blasphemy but here it goes:
I really don't like captain kirk and see him as basically a science fiction version of james bond(which is an insult coming from me in case anyone was confused) I look at kirk and all I see, at least in the series itself, is "egotistical man whore".(it's not anywhere near as bad in the movies so there I'm mostly neutral on him.)

Mojochi · May 25 2010, 06:59 AM

I think Riker should have left the show & accepted his own command after BoBW.

I think Troi shouldn't really be on the bridge, unless called for, like the CMO

I've never really liked "The Voyage Home". It was all just shtick. No Substance. Trek V was far better Star Trek, imo

I like plenty of Geordi centric episodes "The Enemy","Identity Crisis", "The Mind's Eye" "Interface". About the only one I don't like is "Aquiel"

I think Denise Crosby was extremely HOT, in the TNG years

3D Master · May 25 2010, 11:57 AM

MoonWater wrote:

oh, and one more that will be pure blasphemy but here it goes:
I really don't like captain kirk and see him as basically a science fiction version of james bond(which is an insult coming from me in case anyone was confused) I look at kirk and all I see, at least in the series itself, is "egotistical man whore".(it's not anywhere near as bad in the movies so there I'm mostly neutral on him.)

I think you're mistaking JJ's Kirk for the series Kirk.

Danny99 · May 25 2010, 02:11 PM

Saxman1 wrote:

Stewart and Spiner had NO business dictating film content and allowed to hire friends to write scripts ("Nemesis").

I agree and I'm surprised it didn't cause more of a rift within the TNG cast.

MoonWater · May 25 2010, 04:46 PM

3D Master wrote:

MoonWater wrote:

oh, and one more that will be pure blasphemy but here it goes:
I really don't like captain kirk and see him as basically a science fiction version of james bond(which is an insult coming from me in case anyone was confused) I look at kirk and all I see, at least in the series itself, is "egotistical man whore".(it's not anywhere near as bad in the movies so there I'm mostly neutral on him.)

I think you're mistaking JJ's Kirk for the series Kirk.

What do you mean JJ's kirk?

RandyS · May 25 2010, 05:55 PM

MoonWater wrote:

3D Master wrote:

MoonWater wrote:

oh, and one more that will be pure blasphemy but here it goes:
I really don't like captain kirk and see him as basically a science fiction version of james bond(which is an insult coming from me in case anyone was confused) I look at kirk and all I see, at least in the series itself, is "egotistical man whore".(it's not anywhere near as bad in the movies so there I'm mostly neutral on him.)

I think you're mistaking JJ's Kirk for the series Kirk.

What do you mean JJ's kirk?

JJ Abrams, the director of last year's movie.

ProtoAvatar · May 25 2010, 09:27 PM

Ent is highly underrated - its S3 and S4 are the equal of any other trek season and its S1 and S2 are better than the likes of TOS S3, TNG S1, S2, etc.

SPCTRE · May 25 2010, 09:33 PM

Of the top of my head, two unpopular opinions relating to GENERATIONS come to mind:
1) It's part of my personal Top3 of Trek movies (alongside TUC and FC, but that part wouldn't qualify as an unpopular opinion, I know

)
2) I think the shot of the USS Farragut at the end of the movie really drives home just how beautiful the Nebula class really is. There, I said it, I like a kitbashed design. Actually, it's one of my favourite Starfleet ship designs ever - I remember rewinding my VHS copy of GEN time and time again to drool over the Farragut fly-by

Mr_Homn · May 25 2010, 09:46 PM

Voyager is horrible and really what killed star trek

DS9 is for the most part boring and tedious to sit through

TNG and TOS are on equal ground with me. most fans of one seem to dislike the other. I love these shows more than anything ever on tv.

Enterprise wasn't that bad. It made a lot of mistakes, but it was the first show that had the right spirit of star trek and focus on fun exploration since TNG.

the abrams movie was god awful. I don't mind that people like it, but anyone who thinks it was deep or intelligent is an idiot.

Chrisisall · May 25 2010, 10:04 PM

Mr_Homn wrote:

Voyager is horrible and really what killed star trek

Nope. Enterprise put in the first nail with its non-retro production design, then Nemesis closed the coffin by not casting Patrick Stewart as Shinzon.

DS9 is for the most part boring and tedious to sit through

*yawn* yeah, sometimes...

TNG and TOS are on equal ground with me. most fans of one seem to dislike the other. I love these shows more than anything ever on tv.

I lub dem both.

Enterprise wasn't that bad. It made a lot of mistakes, but it was the first show that had the right spirit of star trek and focus on fun exploration since TNG.

Once past the 'it's too high tek', I agree.

MoonWater · May 26 2010, 01:35 AM

RandyS wrote:

MoonWater wrote:

3D Master wrote:

I think you're mistaking JJ's Kirk for the series Kirk.

What do you mean JJ's kirk?

JJ Abrams, the director of last year's movie.

oh, sorry I don't keep track of director's much. well no actually I like that version of kirk much better than the original version. Sure he was still an egotisticall man whore but he was a likeable egotistical man whore, unlike the original kirk. at least in my opinion

Chrisisall · May 26 2010, 01:45 AM

MoonWater wrote:

I like that version of kirk much better than the original version. Sure he was still an egotisticall man whore but he was a likeable egotistical man whore, unlike the original kirk. at least in my opinion

Are you effing with us? I mean, it's okay if you are, but young Pine over the seasoned 60's Shat???
The mind reels....

Warped9 · May 26 2010, 02:46 AM

MoonWater wrote:

RandyS wrote:

MoonWater wrote:

What do you mean JJ's kirk?

JJ Abrams, the director of last year's movie.

oh, sorry I don't keep track of director's much. well no actually I like that version of kirk much better than the original version. Sure he was still an egotisticall man whore but he was a likeable egotistical man whore, unlike the original kirk. at least in my opinion

Anticitizen · May 26 2010, 05:09 AM

The NCC-1701-A unveiled at the end of TVH should have been an Excelsior-class ship, not another Constitution-class.

::ducks::

May 25 2010, 05:44 AM	#572
MoonWater Ensign	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? Alright here's my unpopular opinions: I actually really like wesely and nelix I'm not picard vs. kirk; I'm picard vs. janeway and I think voyager was almost as good a series as TNG(it loses a notch only because TNG was better written.) oh, and one more that will be pure blasphemy but here it goes: I really don't like captain kirk and see him as basically a science fiction version of james bond(which is an insult coming from me in case anyone was confused) I look at kirk and all I see, at least in the series itself, is "egotistical man whore".(it's not anywhere near as bad in the movies so there I'm mostly neutral on him.)

May 25 2010, 06:59 AM	#573
Mojochi Fleet Captain	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? I think Riker should have left the show & accepted his own command after BoBW. I think Troi shouldn't really be on the bridge, unless called for, like the CMO I've never really liked "The Voyage Home". It was all just shtick. No Substance. Trek V was far better Star Trek, imo I like plenty of Geordi centric episodes "The Enemy","Identity Crisis", "The Mind's Eye" "Interface". About the only one I don't like is "Aquiel" I think Denise Crosby was extremely HOT, in the TNG years

May 25 2010, 09:27 PM	#578
ProtoAvatar Fleet Captain	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? Ent is highly underrated - its S3 and S4 are the equal of any other trek season and its S1 and S2 are better than the likes of TOS S3, TNG S1, S2, etc.

May 25 2010, 09:33 PM	#579
SPCTRE Rear Admiral Location: Kiel, Germany	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? Of the top of my head, two unpopular opinions relating to GENERATIONS come to mind: 1) It's part of my personal Top3 of Trek movies (alongside TUC and FC, but that part wouldn't qualify as an unpopular opinion, I know ) 2) I think the shot of the USS Farragut at the end of the movie really drives home just how beautiful the Nebula class really is. There, I said it, I like a kitbashed design. Actually, it's one of my favourite Starfleet ship designs ever - I remember rewinding my VHS copy of GEN time and time again to drool over the Farragut fly-by __________________ "SPCTRE: Hunting Season Open. " - iguana_tonante "I hate everything you stand for. " - TheGodBen "You've lost two fingers on your right hand." - Deckerd

May 25 2010, 09:46 PM	#580
Mr_Homn Captain	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? Voyager is horrible and really what killed star trek DS9 is for the most part boring and tedious to sit through TNG and TOS are on equal ground with me. most fans of one seem to dislike the other. I love these shows more than anything ever on tv. Enterprise wasn't that bad. It made a lot of mistakes, but it was the first show that had the right spirit of star trek and focus on fun exploration since TNG. the abrams movie was god awful. I don't mind that people like it, but anyone who thinks it was deep or intelligent is an idiot.

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May 26 2010, 05:09 AM	#585
Anticitizen Fleet Captain Location: Black Mesa Research Facility	Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours? The NCC-1701-A unveiled at the end of TVH should have been an Excelsior-class ship, not another Constitution-class. ::ducks:: __________________ The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes.