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Old May 21 2010, 05:19 PM   #241
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Re: Where did Spock go?

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I was speaking in a broad sense.
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I kind of figured. But I was erasing any doubts you might have had in my post, seeing you posted it right after my fanon defense.

However I used to obsess over this stuff - to a point where I created useless stress upon myself, and got really offended when others did not take it as umm serious.
Well, I realize it is just fiction. So I never get worked up or stressed over it ever. Then again, I hardly get stressed about anything. I am pretty laid back and cool most of the time.

In fact, I actually find it quite relaxing and fun when I come up with fanon in defense of Star Trek's canon. But everyone is different of course.
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Old May 21 2010, 07:40 PM   #242
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Re: Where did Spock go?

I know that I'm not going to convince anyone who disagrees with me in my post, but whatever.

As far as Spock not knowing that Kirk was 30 - 35, well, we ARE talking about a man who had just been thrown back in time, captured, exiled to a frozen wasteland, witnessed the destruction of his home planet, and THEN encountered a vastly younger version of his best friend. After all that, I think I personally could excuse a couple of years! So I believe that Spock Prime IS TOS Spock, as is the intent of the creators, and is predominantly (aside from one or two things {seriously, you point out "Kirk's not Captain?", and not Scotty's Transwarp beaming, something that's never happened in any of Trek until 09?}) borne out.

As far as the destination universe is concerned, I personally feel that the Kelvin's universe is a Parallel Universe to the original. There are too many differences for it to be the same universe to me, such as the size of the Kelvin.

I can excuse a few continuity errors, as long as I enjoy the film. And I DID enjoy the film! I'm sorry you didn't!
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Old May 21 2010, 08:30 PM   #243
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Re: Where did Spock go?

Another one who believes Nero and Spock arrived in a parallel universe before the tampering started!
Clearly Spock is not the same as he was in the two part Unification. how much of that is due to age, lack of maintaining the Disciplines, destruction of Vulcan, and exile to an icy misnamed body is up for discussion.
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Old May 21 2010, 08:33 PM   #244
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My Grandfather wasn't the same man he was in the last few years of his life.
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Old May 21 2010, 11:21 PM   #245
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Re: Where did Spock go?

Although Spock had been though hell, he should have a few years left. He should be about 160 in STXI - but don't Vulcans live to be around 250?

Or would Spock's half-human heratige limit him to to the 150ish Trek human lifespan?
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Old May 21 2010, 11:31 PM   #246
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In practice, he'll live as long as the writers need him around. He doesn't just have his Vulcan-human hybrid status, he also has a rejuvenated body from The Search for Spock and plenty of wacky things that have happened to him in his travels since then.
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Old May 21 2010, 11:33 PM   #247
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Well, it cuts both ways.

Spock Prime did not come from the TOS universe; the movie is not connected to the TOS universe and is a "clean reboot." The assertions otherwise here are not based on "on-screen evidence" but on narrow, subjective interpretations of details in the movie being wedged to fit into a preconceived, preferred conclusion.
No, it doesn't "cut both ways." Putting a couple "not's" in Dennis's quote doesn't make this "new" quote true in the slightest.
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Old May 21 2010, 11:46 PM   #248
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Dennis likes his statements to seem like they're assertions of fact. Well, everyone has their dreams...

The idea of the altered timeline is to essentially wipe clean previous continuity. To wit: it never happened. Well, fine, in fairness as a reboot it can do that. And it doesn't matter who likes to assert and/or believe old Spock is TOS Spock because as far as I'm concerned ST09 didn't happen as far as TOS is concerned.

And when ST09 is a largely forgotten project from many summers past TOS will still be there as the one that still matters.
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Old May 22 2010, 02:37 AM   #249
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No, it doesn't "cut both ways." Putting a couple "not's" in Dennis's quote doesn't make this "new" quote true in the slightest.
Of course not, but if facts and/or logic are given any weight at all the premise that Spock comes from some "other alternate universe" collapses immediately...so why not resort to nonsensical word games of this kind?
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Old May 22 2010, 03:09 AM   #250
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Nonsensicle word games are when they say they will respect canon and then trample all over it.

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Old May 22 2010, 04:07 AM   #251
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Oh, they respected canon - just not slavishly.
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Old May 22 2010, 06:14 AM   #252
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Oh, they respected canon - just not slavishly.
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Old May 22 2010, 06:55 AM   #253
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They respected canon like a rapist respects his victim.
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Old May 22 2010, 07:56 AM   #254
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Oh good grief!
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Old May 22 2010, 09:59 AM   #255
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And when ST09 is a largely forgotten project from many summers past TOS will still be there as the one that still matters.
"Matters"? To who?

I badly want to say "get a life" right now. Wait... I just did.

In what way is this 60's television show going to "matter" to anyone but incredibly bitter fanatics like you?

The original Star Trek show does not and will not "matter" to anyone other than those who follow it a little too obsessively. Ditto with the spin-offs, the movies that followed it, and the new Star Trek movie.

They're all equal in this regard: They do not matter, people do not care. 99% of people do not care about the new Star Trek film anymore than they care about The Dark Knight at this point. Which, I would imagine, is probably still more than they care for 60's Star Trek.

Why? It's a television show, therefore not worth the effort.
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