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Old May 11 2010, 05:06 AM   #31
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Re: Where's all the TREK EBOOKS at?

I have an Ipad and Have to admit the prices of Trek Ebooks are insane and this started happening a while ago. The ebook should be slightly cheaper than the dead tree format, not more money.
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Old May 11 2010, 12:24 PM   #32
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All I can sais why the heck do you want to try to screw up Star Trek eBooks for the rest of us?
You may wish to get down off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT. I'm not in some sort of conspiracy or anything like that. I'm simply exercising my rights as a consumer. I find Apple convenient to buy from; check. I find iBooks convenient to use; check. I find their prices reasonable; check. That's it, really.

If you don't agree, then by all means, don't buy from Apple. Paint them as The Man(tm) if you wish. Vote with your wallet. But you will not drag me into this, understand? IT'S NOT MY FIGHT.

You obviously do not care about being an adult. You just have to flaunt the fact that you are going to do this no matter the consequences and let the rest of us be damned.
You will, please, stop that. Like I said, I'm not deliberately trying to oppress The People(tm), I'm simply exercising MY RIGHTS as a consumer. I buy from Apple because they are convenient for me to use, and I find their prices reasonable. You don't have to agree, of course. Everyone has the right to buy from wherever they find convenient. If, for me, this happens to be Apple, then that is the end of the discussion.

At least buy them from some other eBook shop, strip the DRM
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I'm not a pirate, thank you.

At least it would not give any money to Apple for eBooks from the agency 5.
Like I said, it's not my fight.
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Old May 11 2010, 07:27 PM   #33
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Re: Where's all the TREK EBOOKS at?

It's everyone's fight. It's the fight to have reasonable prices. I'm not saying iBooks is a problem to use. The problem is that Apple allowed the agency model which raised the price of Star Trek eBooks. What we want is to have Apple tank when it comes to selling these agency modeled eBooks so maybe they'll stop and prices can go back down. iBooks allows the use of ePub eBooks that do not have DRM.

Stripping the DRM for your own personal use does not make you a pirate. You are not giving them away/uploading to the net. It's called fair use which is what you'd be exercising. Then you could have those eBooks usable for more then just the iPad long after the iPad was history.

Do you care about helping drive the prices up or do you care about helping to bring the prices down?
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Old May 11 2010, 09:10 PM   #34
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It's everyone's fight. It's the fight to have reasonable prices.
And I say the prices ARE reasonable.

Do you care about helping drive the prices up or do you care about helping to bring the prices down?
Neither one. I care about BUYING THE BOOKS. Their prices are reasonable TO ME. So I WILL BUY THEM.

I could not give less of a crap about the 'agency model' or anything like that. If I thought the prices were too high, I wouldn't buy them, but I think the prices are reasonable, so I will. So there.

You think I want Apple to tank? Hell no! They're just what I need! I get everything from them - computers, music, books, the whole thing. They serve my needs. Why would I have a problem with them?
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Old May 12 2010, 03:01 AM   #35
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It's everyone's fight. It's the fight to have reasonable prices.
And I say the prices ARE reasonable.

Do you care about helping drive the prices up or do you care about helping to bring the prices down?
Neither one. I care about BUYING THE BOOKS. Their prices are reasonable TO ME. So I WILL BUY THEM.

I could not give less of a crap about the 'agency model' or anything like that. If I thought the prices were too high, I wouldn't buy them, but I think the prices are reasonable, so I will. So there.

You think I want Apple to tank? Hell no! They're just what I need! I get everything from them - computers, music, books, the whole thing. They serve my needs. Why would I have a problem with them?
Why can't you read what I write? I'm not advocating Apple tank as a company. I'm advocating that Apple selling eBooks via iBooks tanks. Most people who know about the agency model wants it to go away.

The prices are not all that reasonable as they are fixed and stores are not allowed to give discount or have sales. So while I can get a $7.99 Trek paperback for 25 - 40% off via Borders coupons, I cannot get anything off of a Trek eBook. So what we are doing is paying more for eBooks then we are for paperbooks.
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Old May 12 2010, 05:32 AM   #36
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^ I hate to break this to you, dude, but that ship has sailed. Those 5 publishers are selling by the agency model in EVERY ONLINE EBOOK STORE, and pricing is uniform. At this point, it has dick-all to do with Apple. Unless you plan on boycotting literally everyone, I think you just have to deal with it.
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Old May 14 2010, 04:09 PM   #37
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^ I hate to break this to you, dude, but that ship has sailed. Those 5 publishers are selling by the agency model in EVERY ONLINE EBOOK STORE, and pricing is uniform. At this point, it has dick-all to do with Apple. Unless you plan on boycotting literally everyone, I think you just have to deal with it.
The idea is to try to get Apple to tank when it comes to selling eBooks from the agency 5. So then maybe the other eBook shops can band together to do away with the agency model.
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Old May 14 2010, 04:43 PM   #38
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But at this point, everyone's doing it, so apple tanking wouldn't be any more likely to cause change than Kindle or B&N tanking or anyone else.

Also: Apple's store is not going to tank. That's just wishful thinking.
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Old May 15 2010, 11:03 AM   #39
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But at this point, everyone's doing it, so apple tanking wouldn't be any more likely to cause change than Kindle or B&N tanking or anyone else.

Also: Apple's store is not going to tank. That's just wishful thinking.
What would be optimal would be for Apple to tank selling eBooks and then the others could go to the publishers and say...

Apple did not do well with your agency model. We will not have it and you will do away with it. We want to be able to sell eBooks without unreasonable restrictions.

And then the agency 5 give in and life is good.
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Old May 17 2010, 12:20 PM   #40
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Apple is not going to help with geo-restrictions. We will still have them and we will have higher priced Trek eBooks. Thanks for nothing Apple.
Whatever the source of the georestrictions they're not helping: I'm in Aus, customer 'service' at S&S (both the US and .au subsidiary) tell me they won't sell me an ebook of Star Trek: Vanguard: Precipice at any price (the pbook in Aus is AU$14.99).

When fictionwise still had them I could buy geo limited books via micropay: now I can't buy them at all.

I don't have the space to keep pbooks - looks like it's back to the book exchange for me.
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