Would you mind UHURA being promoted to BIG THREE status in next movie?

[Ceridwen]

Well, by the time we got to Season Three of Star Trek, Scottie had sort of made the move to a big enough status as to almost make it a "Big 4." I don't see why a "Big 4" couldn't happen in the films, though with Uhura this time.

Though, the new film is much more like the first season of Star Trek, where it was much more of a "Big 2." McCoy is certainly important in the first season, but he becomes much more vital as the show goes on.

[Agenda]

The Big Three - as good as it was - is a TOS artifact. To appeal to more audiences (namely women) we need more Uhura.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

T'Girl wrote:

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If we're going to go ahead and have a "re-set" of Star Trek, can we please lose the terms "away mission" and "away team."

What would you prefer calling them?

As for Uhura: No. The Big Three is and always should be Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

I don't even think the romance with Spock and Uhura was a good idea - and now that Vulcan is going to need MORE pure blood Vulcans to repopulate the species, it's an even worse idea.

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Spock's not a pure-blooded Vulcan. Who says they'd want him?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Good point. But at least Spock's *half* Vulcan. Uhura is NONE Vulcan. If they were to have kids, that would not help the Vulcan species any.

And I think the Vulcan species would benefit from Spock having kids with a Vulcan woman (his human side would be diluted away in a few generations). He is the son of Sarek, after all. Sarek surely must have some clout with what remains of the Vulcan government (who knows, Sarek could *be* that government!). And Sarek would most likely advise Spock that it's logical to have more Vulcan kids.

[Agenda]

But even for a species facing extinction, you need enough individuals from both genders in order to tango. Maybe there's more Vulcan males left than females, in which case Spock wouldn't be needed.

And who cares what Sarek wants or thinks? At the end of the last movie, Spock made it clear that he's going his own way.

[JarodRussell]

Beyond Antares wrote:

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The Big Three - as good as it was - is a TOS artifact. To appeal to more audiences (namely women) we need more Uhura.

LOL. The relationship between Kirk, the strong leader, Spock, the logical mind, and McCoy, the moral conscience, is the heart and soul of TOS, it's not an "artifact".

Even if the movie appeals to female audiences, you still won't get the ladies to visit your basement.

[Shazam!]

Beyond Antares wrote:

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The Big Three - as good as it was - is a TOS artifact. To appeal to more audiences (namely women) we need more Uhura.

Yeah, the Enterprise is a TOS artifact as well. What they should do is turn it into a giant Pink Cadillac and replace the engine noises with the soundtrack to Dirty Dancing.

Y'know, to appeal to women.

[Greg Cox]

Sounds good to me. One of the best parts of the new movie is that Uhura finally got to be the female lead, instead of playing second fiddle to some new character like Ilia, Saavik, Gillian Taylor, Valeris, etc.

Uhura has paid her dues. It's time for her to take the spotlight.

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Shazam! wrote:

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Yeah, the Enterprise is a TOS artifact as well. What they should do is turn it into a giant Pink Cadillac and replace the engine noises with the soundtrack to Dirty Dancing.

No, I think just having a more prominent female character is enough.

[Agenda]

JarodRussell wrote:

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LOL. The relationship between Kirk, the strong leader, Spock, the logical mind, and McCoy, the moral conscience, is the heart and soul of TOS, it's not an "artifact".

Even if the movie appeals to female audiences, you still won't get the ladies to visit your basement.

I agree that the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy was a big draw in what made TOS great. But it should no longer be the sole focus. You can still have that, plus more Uhura on the side.

[Pauln6]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Sounds good to me. One of the best parts of the new movie is that Uhura finally got to be the female lead, instead of playing second fiddle to some new character like Ilia, Saavik, Gillian Taylor, Valeris, etc.

Uhura has paid her dues. It's time for her to take the spotlight.

Uhura has indeed paid her dues and deserves to be given the conn instead of the 17-year old (although admittedly, Uhura is only about a year older than him!).

I'd still quite like to see some of the other women too though - I think it would be great fun if they actually developed Ilia as a character instead of using the green chicks, Saavik would be great eventually, but in the meantime I'd like Rand and Chapel.

[Greg Cox]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Uhura has indeed paid her dues and deserves to be given the conn instead of the 17-year old (although admittedly, Uhura is only about a year older than him!).

I'd still quite like to see some of the other women too though - I think it would be great fun if they actually developed Ilia as a character instead of using the green chicks, Saavik would be great eventually, but in the meantime I'd like Rand and Chapel.

Agreed. Now that they've successfully reintroduced the original crew, we can definitely use another female character, too. I just don't want Uhura to get upstaged by some new love interest for Kirk . . . .

[Pauln6]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Agreed. Now that they've successfully reintroduced the original crew, we can definitely use another female character, too. I just don't want Uhura to get upstaged by some new love interest for Kirk . . . .

Ditto - I want Rand to be an action heroine not make moon eyes at Kirk. Although having said that, I wouldn't be totally averse to a bit of spiky dialogue with Carol Marcus as long as she's part of the plot rather than just a love interest. As a planetary scientist, I should imagine that her presence could dovetail with the Vulcan plot.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Beyond Antares wrote:

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But even for a species facing extinction, you need enough individuals from both genders in order to tango. Maybe there's more Vulcan males left than females, in which case Spock wouldn't be needed.

I think he would. The genetic diversity that Spock would provide to the Vulcan species at large will always be needed.

Maybe not urgently, though - Orci and Kurtzman have said that the 10,000 survivors of Vulcan is *in addition to* Vulcans who were living offworld at the time, so there could be many more. Probably enough to ensure a viable genetic base even without Spock.

And who cares what Sarek wants or thinks? At the end of the last movie, Spock made it clear that he's going his own way.

But Spock and Sarek are clearly still close (they're not estranged like they were when we first met Sarek in TOS). I think Spock will listen to what his dad says.