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Old March 22 2010, 03:27 AM   #1
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Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours?

We had a similar thread a looooong time ago, which was a really interesting read. So I figured it wouldn't hurt asking again: What are your unpopular Trek opinions? In other words, opinions about the various series and movies not shared by the majority of Star Trek fans.

Here are some of mine:

I loved Pulaski and wish she would have stayed on The Next Generation
I like Enterprise's second season
Neelix — when employed in a decent storyline (Rise, Fair Trade, Mortal Coil) — was a rather likeable character
I like Star Trek V and don't think Sybok was a bad character at all
I consider The Animated Series a part of the official Star Trek continuity
The Way to Eden is one of my all-time favorite episodes of Star Trek; I love the songs!
I like TNG's Sub Rosa. And The Dauphin. And a hell of a lot more episodes from TNG's abhorrent first and second season
I like the theme song from Enterprise

So, what are yours? Come on, I know you have them, too. You'll feel better afterwards!
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Old March 22 2010, 03:43 AM   #2
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I'll agree with a few of those already mentioned. I like Enterprise's theme song. I like Neelix. I like Star Trek V.

I'll get really controversial and say: I didn't think Nemesis was all that bad.

There! I said it, and I'm not sorry.
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Old March 22 2010, 03:56 AM   #3
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Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours?

I agree, I liked Pulaski, much better than Crusher. At least she had some chemistry with Stewart.

I also didn't mind Wesley all that much. I mean, he was being a kid afterall. And sometimes kids can be annoying.

DS9 was bad
VOY was really bad
ENT was very, very disappointing.

Okay, feel free to hurl your tomatoes.
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Old March 22 2010, 03:59 AM   #4
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1. Picard was in character during the wedding reception scene in Nemesis (The man laughed after being stabbed in the heart, pretended to sing for Lwaxanna's love on the bridge and went commando several times during TNG's run and the movies).
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Old March 22 2010, 04:24 AM   #5
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1) I think Neelix can be good sometimes too.
2) I'm not too hot on the Enterprise-E.
3) Generations has some redeeming qualities.
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Old March 22 2010, 04:41 AM   #6
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Herkimer Jitty wrote: View Post
1) I think Neelix can be good sometimes too.
2) I'm not too hot on the Enterprise-E.
3) Generations has some redeeming qualities.
Hell, I think you're in the majority on that one. Every time the topic comes up, there are always many posts that say how much the design sucks compared to the D and how terrible it was that it went down.


For me:

I think TWOK is a terrible movie whose only redeeming aspects are being tied to better TOS movies and a scene or two not directly tied to the main plot.

I think the TOS Ent is a disgusting toy of a design.

I think the Enterprise-E (Sovereign) is far and away the best canon ship design.

I liked the ending to Sacrifice of Angels.

I think the direction Dukat took after it was perfect and was a great story that continued his antithesis to Sisko.
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Old March 22 2010, 04:41 AM   #7
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I loved The Way to Eden and Spock's Brain.
I think Trek V is goofy good fun. (triple-breasted cat woman! Woooooo!)

I don't believe that Vulcans were ever really supposed to have any emotions, mate at any time other than their 7 year Pon Farrishy thing, and were not at all nice. That was the whole point of Mr. Spock! It was his HUMAN side that made him special and sympathetic. We weren't supposed to like the Vulcans--those green-blooded alien bastards!

That one didn't even survive all the way through TOS. But I've
never liked the continuing fluffinization of Vulcans. Mean, heartless, emotionless, merciless computing machines is what they were supposed to be! demmit.

(I's glad they went and blew up the planet, before it got any more simperingly NICE! blech.)

OH. And I loved Enterprise's take on Vulcans and thought that it was as close to the original concept as we'd seen in decades!

Boy howdy, it sure feels good to get these things off me chest! yup.
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Old March 22 2010, 04:54 AM   #8
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*The Visitor is over-sentimental, and over-rated....and I would have had another older, 'handsomer' actor portray the older Jake. (Or at least an actor who resembled Cirroc Lofton).

*Far Beyond the Stars is over-sentimental, preachy. (I would have preferred it don't another way....I just don't know what 'way' it is).
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Old March 22 2010, 05:47 AM   #9
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I think Admiral Dougherty was in the right in Star Trek: Insurrection.

I don't think Jean-Luc Picard is the moral authority everyone makes him out to be.

I love Star Trek V.

I don't think Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I consider Star Trek: Enterprise the second best series the franchised produced.
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Old March 22 2010, 06:15 AM   #10
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I think Admiral Dougherty was in the right in Star Trek: Insurrection.
I agree.
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Old March 22 2010, 06:29 AM   #11
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I also think that Adm. Daugherty was right in Insurrection. The Baku seemed pretty selfish and petty to me.


I liked Robin Curtis more than Kirstey Alley.


I like "These Are The Voyages..."


I thought introducing a new Dax for Season 7 was unnecessary and unsuccessful.


I wouldn't wanna watch TMP ever again....even if someone paid me.*


Not one single main character who lasts throughout TOS or TNG gets on my nerves (I don't count Wesley, Pulaski, or Tasha as "lasting main characters"). I genuinely like all of them.



*Amazingly, that doesn't mean I think TMP is actually the worst movie -- TFF? INS? NEM? Each makes a strong cases in their own right --but TMP is just the movie that I would least want to have to sit through all over again.
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Old March 22 2010, 06:41 AM   #12
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I liked Robin Curtis more than Kirstey Alley.


Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one.
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Old March 22 2010, 06:48 AM   #13
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I liked Robin Curtis more than Kirstey Alley.


Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one.


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Old March 22 2010, 08:28 AM   #14
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Life-spans are way too short.

There are not more humanoids than non-humanoids in the galaxy.
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Old March 22 2010, 08:57 AM   #15
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1. I hate Worf, and TNG Klingons in general. Worf's sole purpose was to get beat up to show how tough the alien-of-the-week was. The TNG Klingons had a one-word vocabulary: "honor". They were thrown into that mindless rut and never emerged for the entire rest of the franchise with the brief and refreshing exception of the Augmented ones in ENT. This is the reason I hate Worf in DS9. He switched from impotent growler to honor-lecturing bore. Klingons are supposed to be mustache-twirling villains, dammit!

2. I think the Temporal Cold War would have been a really cool idea if they had actually gone ahead and done it instead of just half-heartedly referring to it a few times and then forgetting about it completely.
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