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Old March 4 2010, 05:49 PM   #346
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Re: WIP - TMP Enterprise, deck by deck

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I rather like the TUC bridge from an actual operations standpoint, but I don't think it would fit in this "module" - this module is based on the TMP model - with two lifts in the rear. The TUC bridge would require the lifts approximately on the midline on the sides. I would build a specific bridge module for that particular design (and I may do just that).
All of the bridges, TMP, TVH, TFF, TUC, fit inside that module, no problems with the lifts.
I wouldn't be too sure of that. They may fit in the floorplan of the module, but this is a 3D object that curves and has different heights. The 'box' attatched to the dome contains the turbolifts and the airlock. Move the lifts forward, and the 'box' has to surround the dome more.
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Old March 4 2010, 06:34 PM   #347
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wjaspers wrote: View Post
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I rather like the TUC bridge from an actual operations standpoint, but I don't think it would fit in this "module" - this module is based on the TMP model - with two lifts in the rear. The TUC bridge would require the lifts approximately on the midline on the sides. I would build a specific bridge module for that particular design (and I may do just that).
All of the bridges, TMP, TVH, TFF, TUC, fit inside that module, no problems with the lifts.
Actually, no they don't. There are lots of problems, in fact. CTM is right and I forgot about the lifts. they are both farther apart by one full panel each away from each other in TFF and two full panels by the time TUC was made. This would put the lift shafts well outside the outer skin of the bridge dome. This is an even more horrendous bridge interior/exterior mismatch issue than the TOS Franz Joseph/Matt Jefferies "rotated bridge" wars that have plagued fandom for decades.

Here is the TMP refit bridge, along with the TWOK/TSFS bridge and the TVH bridge. All basically the same design where the turbo lifts are close together and to the rear of the bridge module, fitting nicely in the "airlock box" all the way in the back. The two domes on CTM's model are supposed to indicate the top of both shafts.

Now, here is the TFF bridge, where you're seeing that the lift doors are a bit farther apart. They might possibly fit, but they certainly don't line up with the two domes on the airlock box any more.

Finally, here is the TUC bridge, with similar aesthetics to the TFF bridge, but now the lift doors are on damn near opposite ends of the bridge module. there is absolutely no way that this design would fit in the old TMP refit module. They would stick out like ears if we saw a properly constructed exterior that was consistent with the set design.

My guess is the producers didn't want a separate set for the new Excelsior bridge like they had back in TSFS (which wasn't that great anyway, IMHO), and they really wanted that "kewl" alcove in the rear to make it look noticeably different from Kirk's ship without a lot of other big alterations (kind of like what they did between Enterprise and Reliant in TWOK, Grissom in TSFS and Sarotga/Yorktown in TVH), so they widened the lift doors to allow for that extra set piece and just re-skinned and reupholstered everything to save some money on the production for both bridges without much regard for the original filming miniature.
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Old March 4 2010, 06:50 PM   #348
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Re: WIP - TMP Enterprise, deck by deck

wjaspers wrote: View Post
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I rather like the TUC bridge from an actual operations standpoint, but I don't think it would fit in this "module" - this module is based on the TMP model - with two lifts in the rear. The TUC bridge would require the lifts approximately on the midline on the sides. I would build a specific bridge module for that particular design (and I may do just that).
All of the bridges, TMP, TVH, TFF, TUC, fit inside that module, no problems with the lifts.
No. They don't. Specifically, the ST VI: TUC bridge cannot fit. The others can, but with the lifts on either side, it would absolutely HAVE to add bulges on either side to fit the lifts. All the other bridges can fit, but that one cannot fit.
If you look here:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ga...e-a-bridge.jpg
and
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ga...bridge-tvh.jpg
you can see the Turbo Lifts will not fit within this modeled exterior in the TUC version.
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Old March 4 2010, 11:05 PM   #349
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Links....allll of them...dead.
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Old March 5 2010, 12:33 AM   #350
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Links....allll of them...dead.
Ya it is better if you post links to the gallery pages that these pictures are in rather than the pictures themselves (I see this ALL the time).
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Old March 5 2010, 05:54 AM   #351
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Right click "Copy shortcut" (for IE) or "Copy link location" (for FF), paste that into your address bar and hit [Enter]
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Old March 5 2010, 11:27 AM   #352
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Links....allll of them...dead.
That website does not allow direct linking.
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Old March 5 2010, 02:46 PM   #353
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But if you backtrack to the gallery page there is wealth of bridge imagery!
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Old March 5 2010, 06:08 PM   #354
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Weird. I can see them all fine through the links. Running Ad-Blocker Pro, Ghostery or RefControl, maybe? Anyways, here's the main page which has links to all the bridges I cited on the first three rows:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/bridges1.htm
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Old March 5 2010, 08:13 PM   #355
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I forgot to note that this project is awsome by the way
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Old March 5 2010, 11:02 PM   #356
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Old March 6 2010, 05:26 AM   #357
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I wouldn't be too sure of that. They may fit in the floorplan of the module, but this is a 3D object that curves and has different heights. The 'box' attatched to the dome contains the turbolifts and the airlock. Move the lifts forward, and the 'box' has to surround the dome more.
Well that is, if the top of the turbolifts would be the top of the module. But it is not, either is the dome you see the top of the bridge ceiling.
Between the top of the bridge/turbolifts and the top of the module/dome, there is a big space. Once you model the bridges to specs, you will notice that.



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Actually, no they don't. There are lots of problems, in fact. CTM is right and I forgot about the lifts. they are both farther apart by one full panel each away from each other in TFF and two full panels by the time TUC was made. This would put the lift shafts well outside the outer skin of the bridge dome.
Ofcourse, however as said above, the top of those turbolifts is less high than you might think.


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No. They don't. Specifically, the ST VI: TUC bridge cannot fit. The others can, but with the lifts on either side, it would absolutely HAVE to add bulges on either side to fit the lifts. All the other bridges can fit, but that one cannot fit.
If you look here:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ga...e-a-bridge.jpg
and
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ga...bridge-tvh.jpg
you can see the Turbo Lifts will not fit within this modeled exterior in the TUC version.
To proove my point here some pics:

Top of the TWOK bridge:



Top of the TUC bridge:





TWOK persp:





TUC persp:





With dome:




As said, if you model them up to specs.
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Old March 6 2010, 07:11 AM   #358
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Thanks for those perspective shots, wjaspers - that makes sense.
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Old March 6 2010, 04:01 PM   #359
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wjaspers - Those are some beautiful renders. However, to my eye it looks like your interior is scaled too small for the exterior. What dimensions did you use for the bridge interior and the bridge module exterior?
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Old March 6 2010, 07:06 PM   #360
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When I first saw the doors in the foward Position I thought that it was a hallway going to the turboelevator shaft. So I came up with this variation


Great work by the way.
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