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Old January 26 2010, 10:23 PM   #1771
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Aha! So you require epicanthic folds. Well, then it could be an Amerind actress, too. One of my daughters has them and the other doesn't, and they are both part Mi'kmaq/part Irish. I had not imagined T'Ryssa with obvious epicanthic folds. Now I shall. Thanks. Prominent cheekbones, too? OK. I'll be back...
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Old January 27 2010, 02:09 AM   #1772
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Or you could just do an open "colour blind" addition and then pick the best woman for the role, yes you may have written her as looking Asian, but that doesn't mean it can't change if she did get cast now would it?
I don't think that's at all in the spirit of a fantasy casting thread. The whole point is to find people who fit the descriptions in the books. We're not subject to the exigencies of real casting here; we don't have to settle for "not quite but the closest we could find."
Well, of course, the real reason this is "fantasy casting" is because there are no plans to put these characters on film, and none of us are Hollywood casting directors. And even if we were real casting directors, we'd be under no obligation whatsoever to pay the slightest bit of attention to the author.

How about Betty White as Trys?
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Old January 27 2010, 02:10 AM   #1773
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How about Betty White as Trys?
Only if she's foul-mouthed.
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Old February 3 2010, 04:38 PM   #1774
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What do you guys think of Lance Reddick for Zett Nilric?
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Old February 3 2010, 09:52 PM   #1775
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oh, yeah. good choice!
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Old February 4 2010, 04:04 AM   #1776
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I feel that Mattew Abaddon and Agent Broyles both have that sort of intimidating, mysterious aura about them that I've always imagined Zett having.
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Old February 5 2010, 12:02 PM   #1777
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I understood all that, what I didn't get was why she HAS to be played by an Asian, because makeup can make it work once the imaginary casting team chose someone based on talent.
You're not seriously suggesting making up a Caucasian to look Asian?! Reverting to the days of Charlie Chan? That practice was not only racist, it was ineffective. You can't convincingly make a white person look Asian by sticking latex folds over their eyelids. Maybe American audiences in the '40s or '60s, who didn't know or care what real Asians looked like, could buy such a substitution, but nobody with any sense today would fall for it, and no casting director with any decency would attempt it.
I dunno, I thought Sean Connery was really convincing in that make-up in You Only Live Twice. And John Wayne was a great Ghengis Khan. And I don't know about you, but for years after seeing Breakfast at Tiffany's I thought Mickey Rooney was Chinese. I mean, that's a Chinese name, right?




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Old February 5 2010, 10:36 PM   #1778
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^thanks for handling my light work

Personally, I think when the character keeps being mistaken for a VULCAN, demanding a Chinese actress play the part is absurd. But Christopher invented the character and we never knew until I made a racist remark, accidentally, that she had epicanthic folds. Perhaps the writers should make more of a point about her Chinese looks, and stop having people think she's a Vulcan. Vulcan eyes, you see, have nictitating membranes, and there isn't an actress born on planet Earth who has those, is there?
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Old February 6 2010, 05:32 AM   #1779
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I understood all that, what I didn't get was why she HAS to be played by an Asian, because makeup can make it work once the imaginary casting team chose someone based on talent.
You're not seriously suggesting making up a Caucasian to look Asian?! Reverting to the days of Charlie Chan? That practice was not only racist, it was ineffective. You can't convincingly make a white person look Asian by sticking latex folds over their eyelids. Maybe American audiences in the '40s or '60s, who didn't know or care what real Asians looked like, could buy such a substitution, but nobody with any sense today would fall for it, and no casting director with any decency would attempt it.
I dunno, I thought Sean Connery was really convincing in that make-up in You Only Live Twice. And John Wayne was a great Ghengis Khan. And I don't know about you, but for years after seeing Breakfast at Tiffany's I thought Mickey Rooney was Chinese. I mean, that's a Chinese name, right?




Maybe, but that still doesn't help with the racism part.
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Old February 6 2010, 06:39 AM   #1780
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^You saw the wink smiley, didn't you? He was being sarcastic, listing some of the most egregiously and offensively bad attempts by Caucasians to play Asians in the movies.
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Old February 6 2010, 06:48 AM   #1781
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Personally, I think when the character keeps being mistaken for a VULCAN, demanding a Chinese actress play the part is absurd. <SNIP> Perhaps the writers should make more of a point about her Chinese looks, and stop having people think she's a Vulcan.
Is there any particular reason the characters would react to or make note of her Chinese-Human heritage more than her Vulcan heritage? I mean, looking like you come from Asia probably means nothing to the people in the STU -- it probably doesn't really register with them in the same way that being Vulcan or being Andorian or any other given species would register. Take away the pointy ears and eyebrows, and they wouldn't look at T'Rys and say, "She looks Chinese," they'd look at her and say, "She looks Human."
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Old February 6 2010, 11:10 AM   #1782
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I pictured Grace Park and T'Ryssa for a while.

And you may say to me "Aaron, Grace Park is Korean," to which I say that it wouldn't be the first time that Star Trek mixed up their Asians. After all, Garret Wong is Chinese and played someone of Korean decent and Linda Park played a Japanese woman.

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Old February 6 2010, 02:19 PM   #1783
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^And Sulu has now been played by a Japanese actor and a Korean actor.
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Old February 6 2010, 04:22 PM   #1784
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I pictured Grace Park and T'Ryssa for a while.

And you may say to me "Aaron, Grace Park is Korean," to which I say that it wouldn't be the first time that Star Trek mixed up their Asians. After all, Garret Wong is Chinese and played someone of Korean decent and Linda Park played a Japanese woman.

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And an Englishman played a Frenchman, and a Canadian and an Englishman both played a Scotsman, and an American played a Russian. So I suppose Star Trek "mixes up" their Europeans, as well.

It would be pretty silly to limit actors to always playing exclusively people of their own nationality and ethnic group. As long as they can visually pass as the character's ethnicity, and as long that there are no jarring moments like speaking their "first language" with a strong foreign accent or doing a very bad imitation of a certain accent that their character is supposed to have, I see no problem.
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Old February 6 2010, 05:36 PM   #1785
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you mean like a Canadian who can't do Scots or an American who can't do Russian?
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