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Old January 13 2010, 07:49 AM   #76
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Sherlock Holmes [B-]
Men in Black [A]
Up in the Air [A]
Star Trek: The Motion Picture [D+]
I'm Not There [A]
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (2009) [D-]
American Violet [B]
Inglourious Basterds [A]

I saw this film twice in the cinema, and am happy to now own it on Blu-Ray. It's one of the best of last year.
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Old January 13 2010, 08:11 AM   #77
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I saw this film twice in the cinema, and am happy to now own it on Blu-Ray. It's one of the best of last year.
Urgh. Was not.
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Old January 13 2010, 02:49 PM   #78
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I saw this film twice in the cinema, and am happy to now own it on Blu-Ray. It's one of the best of last year.
Urgh. Was not.
Was too.
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Old January 13 2010, 10:15 PM   #79
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I agree!
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Old January 13 2010, 10:25 PM   #80
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Was definitely one of my favourites.
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Old January 13 2010, 11:03 PM   #81
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I saw this film twice in the cinema, and am happy to now own it on Blu-Ray. It's one of the best of last year.
Urgh. Was not.
Was too.
Yup.
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Old January 14 2010, 01:30 AM   #82
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Sherlock Holmes [B-]
Men in Black [A]
Up in the Air [A]
Star Trek: The Motion Picture [D+]
I'm Not There [A]
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (2009) [D-]
American Violet
Inglourious Basterds [A]
Death at a Funeral [B ]

Since the remake is coming soon, I figured I would see the original. Not an oustanding comedy that I plan on returning to again and again, but it was absolutely worth seeing.

And, to JacksonArcher, was too.
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Old January 14 2010, 11:03 AM   #83
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Now I know how Jay Leno feels like.

Also, in regards to my thoughts on Inglourious Basterds: This is going to sound preachy but I had a problem with a movie that so gleefully plunged into the depths of violence without any regard whatsoever to the ethical consequences. Yes, I understand Inglourious Basterds was a revenge fantasy, but I couldn't help but cringe and question the existence of such a film that would promote violence in such a one-sided fashion. It seemed oddly masochistic. Inglourious Basterds, anyway, deals with a tragic aspect of history. Yes, I can take away that it is a film, with a fictionalized take on historical events. Regardless, by mercilessly killing the Nazi's, it makes the Basterds no more better than the individuals they swore to exterminate (i.e., the Nazi's).
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Old January 14 2010, 08:13 PM   #84
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Now I know how Jay Leno feels like.

Also, in regards to my thoughts on Inglourious Basterds: This is going to sound preachy but I had a problem with a movie that so gleefully plunged into the depths of violence without any regard whatsoever to the ethical consequences.
I'd say it actually addresses and is more conscious of those ethical consequences than pretty much any cartoonish film that casts the Nazis as bad guys.

The ethical logic of the film is willing to permit a wide range of people to be Nazis, even possibly sympathetic people - a young German kid who just wants to go back to his mother; a guy flushed over the birth of his child (and his rowdy pals), and of course, Daniel Bruehl, probably the most boyishly affable German actor around, the star of Goodbye Lenin! himself. There's even a little honour in the German soldier interrogated near the start of the movie, who says he got his medals for heroism.

Alright, so Bruehl is eventually revealed to be a bastard, but otherwise the film is pushing the bounds of what it means to be a Nazi, humanizing the Nazis... and still finding it entirely satisfying to go and crush their skulls. It's actually following through the premise of films like Indiana Jones to their logical conclusion: If you are a Nazi, then against you all is permitted. Given the utter and despicable savagery of the regime there's just about nothing you can do to a Nazi that gosh darn it isn't the right thing to do.

It manages to be self-conscious but also gleefully liberated in that sadism. It even gives us the whole thing in reverse, proving Hitler is evil because he's gleefully cackling while watching Americans get slaughtered in a movie.

It also helps, mind, that I am a very strong advocate of black comedy. Killing the family man is always an excellent punchline to me, but I recognise I'm not everybody.
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Old January 14 2010, 08:22 PM   #85
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Sherlock Holmes [B-]
Men in Black [A]
Up in the Air [A]
Star Trek: The Motion Picture [D+]
I'm Not There [A]
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (2009) [D-]
American Violet
Inglourious Basterds [A]
Death at a Funeral [B ]
A Serious Man [A]

The Coen brothers deliver another movie that's one of the best of the year. I have no idea what to make of the prologue, nor the ending, but watching this man's life so completely fall apart was utterly hilarious, and often, oddly touching.
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Old January 14 2010, 08:28 PM   #86
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The ethical logic of the film is willing to permit a wide range of people to be Nazis, even possibly sympathetic people - a young German kid who just wants to go back to his mother; a guy flushed over the birth of his child (and his rowdy pals), and of course, Daniel Bruehl, probably the most boyishly affable German actor around, the star of Goodbye Lenin! himself. There's even a little honour in the German soldier interrogated near the start of the movie, who says he got his medals for heroism.

Alright, so Bruehl is eventually revealed to be a bastard, but otherwise the film is pushing the bounds of what it means to be a Nazi, humanizing the Nazis... and still finding it entirely satisfying to go and crush their skulls. It's actually following through the premise of films like Indiana Jones to their logical conclusion: If you are a Nazi, then against you all is permitted. Given the utter and despicable savagery of the regime there's just about nothing you can do to a Nazi that gosh darn it isn't the right thing to do.

It manages to be self-conscious but also gleefully liberated in that sadism. It even gives us the whole thing in reverse, proving Hitler is evil because he's gleefully cackling while watching Americans get slaughtered in a movie.

It also helps, mind, that I am a very strong advocate of black comedy. Killing the family man is always an excellent punchline to me, but I recognise I'm not everybody.
Sure, but the film does little to give any depth to any of the Basterds. They are caricatures, driven only by their pure and unadulterated hatred for Nazi's and Germans alike. Which is why they are no better than the Nazi's. They gleefully exterminate the Nazi's with as much relish as the Nazi's would exterminate a Jew. So how does that make them better? Yes, the film sparingly humanizes some individual Nazi soldiers, but it gives barely any character development or humanization to any of the Basterds themselves, making them hollow and vapid.

Furthermore, it would have been nice if perhaps one of the characters eventually had some type of emotional epiphany for senselessly killing so many people without a single thought or hesitation. It would have added depth and humanized some of the Basterds a bit, but no, there is no second's thought or any sign of remorse or hesitancy. They are stock standard, one-dimensional characters and they are boring and listless because of it.

Then again, it follows the norm of a Quentin Tarantino movie. Excessive violence with no regard for human life. Hell, even as a film about people kicking the crap out of Nazi's there was actually not that much Nazi killing. So it sort of failed in the one way it may have succeeded.
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Also, in regards to my thoughts on Inglourious Basterds: This is going to sound preachy but I had a problem with a movie that so gleefully plunged into the depths of violence without any regard whatsoever to the ethical consequences. Yes, I understand Inglourious Basterds was a revenge fantasy, but I couldn't help but cringe and question the existence of such a film that would promote violence in such a one-sided fashion. It seemed oddly masochistic. Inglourious Basterds, anyway, deals with a tragic aspect of history. Yes, I can take away that it is a film, with a fictionalized take on historical events. Regardless, by mercilessly killing the Nazi's, it makes the Basterds no more better than the individuals they swore to exterminate (i.e., the Nazi's).
It's a provocative film and it draws strong reactions and provides good fodder for debate. Bear in mind that the film, as with much of Tarantino's work, is metatextual. It's not just a revenge fantasy within the framework of the story, but an assault aimed at shredding the mystique of Nazi imagery.

Film critic Kim Morgan (an interesting writer who really should have a higher profile) named the film as one of the best of 2009 and wrote the following:

Though critics either praise or denigrate Quentin Tarantino’s obsessive, swirling with references motion picture amour as the core to his pictures -- their very pulsating, battered and bloody heart, it’s not that simple. Truly. Even as he amped up the references fifty fold by Kill Bill, a stunning mélange of spaghetti western, giallo, Kung Fu and more, something had shifted by the naughts for the controversial auteur, something deeper, something more personal. Death Proof aside, nearly gone were the Royale With Cheese speeches, or the Buddy Holly waiters, and in came a kind of filmmaking that sat on the precipice of mad hatter movie love insanity, making the director even more culturally significant, artistic, and surprisingly, powerfully mysterious. Inglourious Basterds is the crowning achievement for QT’s newer phase, a World War II picture that’s a gorgeous, hilarious, uber-violent, brilliantly acted (Christoph Waltz is a revelation), genre-blending gut puncher, that, indeed, scalps a whole lot of “Gnatzies” (as Brad Pitt's hillbilly Aldo Raine memorably intones), but also shunts the viewer into the German film industry under Goebbels and the struggles of an escaped French Jewish woman (Mélanie Laurent) who survives by, naturally, running an independent movie theater. Basterds may have angered those who found QT’s fantastical revisionism offensive, but really, he was being honest. You want pulpy Nazi hunting set to the music from “White Lightning?” You got it. You want to feel the complexity of how we process that violence? You got that as well. Historical, personal, empathetic, vigilant, erotic (yes, erotic, never for one second does QT think we’re not gonna get our rocks off here), Basterds is an aesthetic and thematic wonder. Filmmaking that doesn’t just break the rules by daring to be old fashioned and modern all at once, but filmmaking from another dimension. A work of visceral, violent, voluptuous beauty, QT roared and he rampaged, and we left the theater like Beatrix Kiddo: with “bloody satisfaction.”
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Old January 14 2010, 08:35 PM   #88
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A Serious Man [A]

The Coen brothers deliver another movie that's one of the best of the year. I have no idea what to make of the prologue, nor the ending,
I saw the prologue in A Serious Man as an encapsulation of the whole movie. Good luck can be misfortune, you can try to reason out the logic of what happened and understand it - perhaps with recourse to religious beliefs - but you have no idea if that's right or not. Life is a confusing Jewish fable.

The end, well; that continuing escalation of inexplicable events that is the human condition trudges on. All told, though, one of the best damn movies I saw last year.

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Sure, but the film does little to give any depth to any of the Basterds. They are caricatures, driven only by their pure and unadulterated hatred for Nazi's and Germans alike.
So is everybody, more or less (I think Daniel Bruehl and Christoph Waltz's characters were the best developed in the film, but that may be due to the actors).

Which is why they are no better than the Nazi's. They gleefully exterminate the Nazi's with as much relish as the Nazi's would exterminate a Jew. So how does that make them better?
Because! They're killing Nazis. The Nazis are killing Jews. It's a hat game. Nazis are evil, it's okay to apply the Nazi's punishment to themselves, and it's okay because precisely they were doing that to Jews. And, again, unlike any other Hollywood film on the subject, at least Inglorious recognizes the unpleasantness of that logic. Indiana Jones just coasts over this stuff with a John Williams soundtrack.

The film also takes the interesting stance of revelling in the violence without overly valorizing the Basterds also - they're stereotypical Americans, all thick accents, incomprehension of European languages, and not so much as a wet eye is expected whenever any of them die in the final cacophony of the movie. Shosanna is similar - she's tightly restrained, cool as hell, but never milked for sympathy. The emotional tone is just so, slick, detached, impersonal, stylish, which allows it to be a gleeful yet conscious revenge fantasy.

Any emotional epiphany of any kind would ruin the film, as it is a cartoon - look also at the British, who are all basically movie war stereotypes and upper crust accents, as divorced from reality as one can be.
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You're looking for Ed Zwick moments in a Tarantino film, JA, and it wouldn't work at all.
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The Road
Downfall
500 Days of Summer

All were good, though The Road is really really depressing.
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