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Old December 22 2009, 07:06 AM   #196
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Re: Modified TOS Ent - Wallpapers

I have to disagree with deg in that, the original E never made sense in terms of scale.

For instance the imagined layout of the interiors was based on aircraft carriers of the time. To fit the supposed decks in there you'd never have as high a ceiling as the interior sets did, and even then you're looking at nothing more than a plate of steel between each deck. I'm not sure what others imagine under the floor of a starship, but I imagine artificial gravity generators and all manner of conduits and access tubes to exist between each deck, and that takes up a lot of space that no one accounts for.

As for the shuttle set, it wasn't even full size. It was a 20' mock up of a 30' shuttle. Scaled to the accepted dimensions the Shuttle-bay is nothing more than a Shuttle-garage. Single car.

Vector, to figure out your scale I think should be easy. Figure out the basic size of an interior deck and everything accompanying it, and how many decks you want it to have (the same as the original I would imagine) and then scale the outside up to fit that in.
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Old December 22 2009, 07:13 AM   #197
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Re: Modified TOS Ent - Wallpapers

Make it 97 kilometers long with a crew of beings 1 mile tall. That'll mess with 'em.
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Old December 22 2009, 07:46 AM   #198
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Either the 947' or the other 1080' scale work for me. I forget who it was, but I saw someone who was scaling blueprints for NCC-1701 based on the 1080' scale, and it looked pretty good.
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Old December 22 2009, 03:20 PM   #199
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I'd say, make her a large as you want her to be.
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Old December 22 2009, 05:34 PM   #200
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Again, I have no intention of scaling the ship up to a degree that would be immediately obvious, I'd just like to create a little extra room in certain areas like the hangar deck. This isn't just an intellectual exercise; I plan to use this model for my own version of The Doomsday Machine, which obviously involves some shots of the hangar deck interior, and it's going to be used by someone else for another upcoming project as well.

If I'm going to do this at all, I will probably go with the 1080' measurement as there is at least some justification for that and it should be enough for my purposes.
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Old December 22 2009, 06:36 PM   #201
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Just as long as the ship and shuttle don't wind up being about the same size like in the original canon episode, you can do whatever you want.
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Old December 23 2009, 01:36 AM   #202
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If it were me and I were going to go with a figure that wasn't of my own determination, I'd go with Shaw's 1067'. Why? Because he has posted a great deal of that analysis here in this forum so I am (somewhat) privy to the processes of how that figure came about.
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Old December 23 2009, 05:16 AM   #203
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I might be okay with the other common conjecture of 1080'. but then, it's your baby.
That's what I was thinking. 1080' is only a 14% increase over 947', but oh what a difference those fourteen points make for notoriously tight spots. I'm not a 36 degree absolutist, but there are many other locations on the Enterprise where 1080' makes more sense, like the shuttle hangar and fitting two reasonably-spaced decks into the saucer rim.
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Old December 29 2009, 01:53 AM   #204
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For the shuttle-bay alone I'd say go with a larger scale.
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Old December 29 2009, 01:57 AM   #205
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For the shuttle-bay alone I'd say go with a larger scale.
Agreed; for the shuttle bay especially, but also if it will help the rim of the primary hull make a little more sense, as Prof. M. suggests.
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Old December 29 2009, 03:21 AM   #206
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As usual Vektor that's some beautiful work.
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Old December 29 2009, 04:50 PM   #207
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I'm off work starting Thursday of this week and I hope to take advantage of the downtime to try re-scaling this baby, probably to the 1080' measurement. I'll see how that works with the hangar deck interior and the saucer rim and proceed from there.

I also hope to make some progress on the Grandeur, which is LOOOOONG overdue for an update. Maybe by next week I'll have something new to show for both.
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Old December 31 2009, 06:14 AM   #208
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^that'd be a great way to start off the New Year!
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Old December 31 2009, 07:13 PM   #209
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I have silly question to throw in here...

If you decide to make the TOS-era Starship Enterprise a full 1,080 feet in length, (or whatever measurement you decide to settle on) does that decision also say something about the dimensions of the TMP-refit Starship Enterprise as well? Would she also be the same length, or would she be proportionally different? Or would you not want to touch that issue?
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Old December 31 2009, 07:56 PM   #210
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I'd think that the TMP-refit would be mostly irrelevant, since the idea here is to only rationalize the TOS-era ship somewhat (which I'm totally behind!). I'd leave the other issues to whomever wants to make a refit of Vektor's Enterprise .
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