One bigass ret-Khan they would need to do...

[startrekrcks]

but what kind of story would you like to see in the sequel I hope they work at it soon.

[Mysterion]

startrekrcks wrote:

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but what kind of story would you like to see in the sequel I hope they work at it soon.

What kind of story for the sequel?: If there's no time-travel, and no re-hash of an existing TOS story I'm willing to give it a look.

[Jeyl]

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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JJ Abrams has finally put Trek in the correct timeline - ours!

Well, if Trek09 is going to represent what you think Star Trek should be from here on out, you can stay in your time line for all I care.

I am curious though. What did it for you? The constant bickering and shouting that passes for development? The sexual harassing? A Federation devoid of equality between genders? Important pieces of Trek lore destroyed/ignored? All the lead characters being unlikable a**holes? The wafer thin story filled with cut out character motives that are hardly expanded upon? The out of place and out of nowhere romance that adds nothing to the characters or the story? Turning the Enterprise into a "Hot Rod" thing? Glorifying Earth as the center piece of all Star Trek instead of "where no one has gone before"? The lack of alien looking aliens? The concrete floored and screwed down steel beam sets with knob riddled pipes, suspended light fixtures and constant steam blowing vents?

I'm having a difficult time understanding why this universe is more appealing than the old one.

And as for Khan's rule being shifted to the 21st century instead of the 20th century? Here's one. It's a fictional story. They have their universe, we have ours. I mean, honestly. When 2063 comes around and there was no World War III, no warp flight ect, should we change everything around in the Trek universe? Just leave the established facts alone. So what if there was no Eugenics War in real life? All that does is establish that the story is what it is. A work of fiction.

[Jeyl]

Mysterion wrote:

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What kind of story for the sequel?: If there's no time-travel, and no re-hash of an existing TOS story I'm willing to give it a look.

Why is it that a lot of people are so anti re-hashing of characters and story yet they welcome Trek09 with open arms and delight? Isn't Trek09 for all intents and purposes a REHASH of an existing Star Trek story and characters?! You could say that the only thing Star Trek about Trek09 was the constant rehashes of character lines and traits.

I just find this whining for new material to be silly because that is not what we're going to get as long as we have Kirk, the Enterprise and crew. You may toss them something they've never encountered before, but it's still a rehash no matter how different it is because it's the same story and characters.

I guess if you want something new, you should have asked for either a new crew all together.

[Mysterion]

Jeyl wrote:

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Why is it that a lot of people are so anti re-hashing of characters and story yet they welcome Trek09 with open arms and delight? Isn't Trek09 for all intents and purposes a REHASH of an existing Star Trek story and characters?! You could say that the only thing Star Trek about Trek09 was the constant rehashes of character lines and traits.

I just find this whining for new material to be silly because that is not what we're going to get as long as we have Kirk, the Enterprise and crew. You may toss them something they've never encountered before, but it's still a rehash no matter how different it is because it's the same story and characters.

I guess if you want something new, you should have asked for either a new crew all together.

I disagree. The problem isn't in having the same characters. The problem is taking those characters into new stories and situations.

I think the abrams movie made a good start to this. Kirk and and Crew are still recognizably the same characters for the most part, but enough differences have been introduced to make things somewhat unpredictable.

There is no point in simply retelling the same stories we've already seen in the 79 episodes of TOS when we've been given a clean slate, for all intents and purposes, by the new ST being set in an alternate timeline.

[Greg Cox]

Shazam! wrote:

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Hardcore Trekkers and those who didn't like Trek XI aren't mutually exclusive.

For the record, I'm a hardcore Trekkie and I loved the new movie.

[daveyNY]

Very Hard Core Trekkie/Trekker here also...

And while I was somewhat dissapointed with Trek XI, I can't say that I didn't like it.


As for Khan.., I too would rather the writers go in another direction with the next movie.

[Jeyl]

Mysterion wrote:

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The problem isn't in having the same characters. The problem is taking those characters into new stories and situations.

Why can't the same thing happen with Khan? Take his character and give him a new situation to deal with that gives us a new story? Just because a previous character appears doesn't mean it's going to involve the same story or situation.

[Mysterion]

Jeyl wrote:

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Why can't the same thing happen with Khan? Take his character and give him a new situation to deal with that gives us a new story? Just because a previous character appears doesn't mean it's going to involve the same story or situation.

I'll try to explain my point one more time: It's a total waste, IMO, to take the clean slate Abrams has laid out and use it to just re-jigger stories that have already been told. If you want to see The Wrath of Khan or Space Seed, those stories are already available.

From the ending of the most recent movie, the Enterprise, Kirk, Spock, and everyone else can literally go anywhere story-wise. Wouldn't it be more fun and exciting if the folks making the movies took full advantage of this rather than re-hash a 42 year old tv episode, or a 25 year old movie that you've already seen?

Yes, the movie did involve familar character we already know, but we saw them doing new things. We'd never seen a story about how the crew of the Enterprise met on screen. Now we have. We hadn't seen Kirk facing the Kobyashi Maru Test, now we have.

I'd much rather see the next movie take us and the Enterprise somehwere we have not been yet. Tell me a new story. If they're just gonna re-make old TOS epsidoes or movies, then what's the point? I love those episodes and movies, don't get me wrong, but I've already seen them. Show me something new.

Do you understand my point now?

[Jeyl]

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Mysterion wrote:

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I'll try to explain my point one more time: It's a total waste, IMO, to take the clean slate Abrams has laid out and use it to just re-jigger stories that have already been told. If you want to see The Wrath of Khan or Space Seed, those stories are already available.

It's not a clean slate. It's Star Trek. And Star Trek has it's established lore. If you want to ignore every character and every story that's come before it, why not just make a completely different scifi series all together?

Mysterion wrote:

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Wouldn't it be more fun and exciting if the folks making the movies took full advantage of this rather than re-hash a 42 year old tv episode, or a 25 year old movie that you've already seen?

But they did. They rehashed everything. They just made it different.

Mysterion wrote:

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Yes, the movie did involve familar character we already know, but we saw them doing new things. We'd never seen a story about how the crew of the Enterprise met on screen. Now we have. We hadn't seen Kirk facing the Kobyashi Maru Test, now we have.

And you think that was an element that was significantly lacking in the original series? I'm sure the old Kirk would have been much more acceptablie and (quoting JJ) 'cooler' if there was more sexual harassment.

Mysterion wrote:

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Do you understand my point now?

Ya. You don't want Star Trek in Star Trek. I get that. If anything has been done before, don't do it no matter how different you want to make it. What's next? You want to say that all the aliens from every series except for the ones seen in Trek09 don't exist anymore simply because they would be a rehash of previous stories? Most illogical.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Jeyl wrote:

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It's not a clean slate. It's Star Trek. And Star Trek has it's established lore.

Which can now be changed or ignored as desired. That's a good thing.

[Search4]

Vulcan is gone and as a result the Federation is notably weaker. The Klingons have lost 47 ships. The Romulans (probably) know, really know, their planet is destroyed in the future. Old Spock is around to ward off future catastrophies, like Khan or V'ger or the Whale Probe.

Time for new stories. Romulans swarm out of their empire? Klingons seek revenge on the Romulans for the destruction? Let's go.