Dollhouse 2x7, 2x8 Meet Jane Doe & A Love Supreme: Review,Spoilers etc

[DarthPipes]

The detonator was rigged to go off if Alpha let go of it. It would have gone off if they shot him.

I understood that they were trying to save the guy but I think Alpha is so dangerous they should have tried to kill him when they got the chance. I thought Tudyk was a blast tonight and along with his work on V, he's been doing a great job as the villain.

I wasn't expecting Adelle to do what she did but I was actually surprised and that's tough to do on television nowadays. They also surprised with the Perrin revelation last week so DH has been doing a great job in that department.

Forgot to mention but we got another funny Viktor imprint this week. Someone has got to pick up Enver Gjojki (can't spell that name) after this show, the man is just too damn talented.

I wonder if that Dollhouse in Dubai ever took off. I think that city just declared they need $60 billion or something...

[intrinsical]

I loved the little Doctor Horrible reference

"Hi Bait, meet Switch"

[StarshipDefiant]

These were a fantastic set of episodes, I am surprised it was Paul that was wiped, but I imagine he'll get an imprint of some sort of himself, even with the Epitaph One flashbacks being flaky at best, there's to many references to Paul to count him out. Echo/Caroline's anger in Epitaph One now makes more sense, if this is a part of it all. I'm looking forward to more episodes, and now...I just wish I could figure out a timeline easier, bleh. Good episodes, though.

[Kaijima]

Is it just me, or did it seem as if Whedon brought back the Internet millionaire guy (Joel) to bookend the show's ongoing exploration of how the Dollhouse is morally ambiguous and while it ends up performing questionable and sleezy services, it actually does do the right thing at other times? Everybody (the viewers) responded well to Joel in season 1 and folks considered that a turning point episode. Also notice that Alpha succeeds in murdering all of Echo's "dons" who were just using her, as Alpha says, for a little piece of her. Alpha could have killed Joel just for pure spite after he got Ballard, but lets him walk out: the one person who truly needed Echo to help himself heal. One would assume that in his stalking of Joel, Alpha would have seen that Joel wasn't like the other clients. (Compare this with the first guy seen, who went the other direction and destroyed his life over his desire for Echo.)

Amid the Whedonesque hard edged nastiness, that's actually a very sentimental resolution to the storyline.

... on the other hand "Who doesn't love a pun?" is one of the best lines ever in context. Boom.

[StarshipDefiant]

Kaijima wrote:

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Is it just me, or did it seem as if Whedon brought back the Internet millionaire guy (Joel) to bookend the show's ongoing exploration of how the Dollhouse is morally ambiguous and while it ends up performing questionable and sleezy services, it actually does do the right thing at other times? Everybody (the viewers) responded well to Joel in season 1 and folks considered that a turning point episode. Also notice that Alpha succeeds in murdering all of Echo's "dons" who were just using her, as Alpha says, for a little piece of her. But Joel, the one person who truly, deeply needed the Dollhouse service to help himself heal, is shown to have gotten better and moved on.

Amid the Whedonesque hard edged nastiness, that's actually a very sentimental resolution to the storyline.

... on the other hand "Who doesn't love a pun?" is one of the best lines ever in context.

I think in his case, Alpha didn't really care, or really care about any of them. The others were to draw out Paul and Caroline, but mostly Paul because he had been spying on them for the three months they were on the run. It might also help, that given the nature of what Joel did, renting Echo to see the expression he never got to see, and that it was to see Rebecca and not Echo, Alpha saw it as a different type of engagement. Joel also seemed to truly care for Echo, not because of what she can provide, but because she is a person, and that she allowed him to ultimatly find a new happiness and move on.

[David cgc]

Something just occurred to me that I'd forgotten in all this new intrigue; namely, what happened to the old intrigue? Who was slipping Ballard messages through November and Echo? Was Boyd really in on that, or was it an odd coincidence that time he distracted Topher while Echo was being imprinted with a message for Paul? Either way, what was their angle?

I suppose it could've been another false-flag discrediting move, like the Senator. Someone from another House might've been feeding Ballard information with the ultimate goal of having him either "win" and take away all the possible reasons to look for the Dollhouse, or even take down the L.A. House and make it look like it was the only one to better conceal the other 20.

Or it could've been Alpha, setting his first-season finale play up. Did they actually say it was Alpha and I forgot?

[StarshipDefiant]

It's implied that the mole was either Laurence Dominic or Claire Saunders, but both don't really make sense as Alpha would. There was an episode where Topher round a piece of tech that would allow someone to screw with the imprints, it was never explained how long it had been sitting there. I think, for all intents and purposes, the mole storyline has been dropped, or is meant to be one of those mysterious to allow fans to find thier own answers and reasons for.

The possible list of people (whether its them or not)
Laurence Dominic (There was an episode that cantered him and the whole spy thing, some of his comments supports and denies this).
Claire Saunders (She has the skills to, but seems somewhat unlikely that she'd have heard of Ballard let alone act as the mole)
Ivy (She's outright said she had the skill to)
Alpha (The skill, the motive, but was there an opportunity to?)