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Old December 14 2009, 08:22 PM   #106
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Why does Uhura have to be held to a higher standard (and almost always only to be found wanting) solely because she's female?
Because she's officially the only female character left in Star Trek and probably will remain so for the next decade or so. And since fanboys everywhere clamor for Kirk, Spock and McCoy moments, her outlook is not that good.

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Why are the male characters allowed to be shown in relationships (whether they're romantic or platonic), but if a female character is, she's "nothing but the girlfriend"?
Because when she sees both men off who are going to save the galaxy, she stays behind and does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the remainder of the film except come rushing back in to hug Spock (Again leaving her post for the third gawd dang time). Heck, Kirk doesn't even ask her to hail the Narada. Isn't it funny how when you give someone like Uhura a supposedly important post on the ship that she should actually do something with it?

Uhura is there for the men's benefit, not the story's. Her Klingon transmission wasn't even an important element since the Enterprise had a whole minute of free time to spare before they were attacked by the Narada after exiting warp.
As a communications officer and xenolinguist what role could she have played in the rescue mission Kirk and Spock went on, the destruction of the Narada or escaping the black hole? Every character got a couple of chances to show their stuff. Sulu does some fighting and piloting, Scotty pulls of tech miracle, Uhura does some communications stuff, McCoy does some medical stuff and Chekov come up some new ideas. Both McCoy and Uhura do their stuff early on and are reduced to supportive friends in second half because the plot moves away from their specialties.
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Old December 14 2009, 08:56 PM   #107
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I'm always amazed when science fiction fans, who I assume would be fairly creative people, can't think through something this simple.
And when they are given a sequence that is over-explained by the screenwriters, these same people are likely to say, "You don't have to spoonfeed us."
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Old December 14 2009, 09:08 PM   #108
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Indeed, Pike calls her cadet.
And a few seconds before that Spock refers to her as Lieutenant.

Her Klingon transmission wasn't even an important element since the Enterprise had a whole minute of free time to spare before they were attacked by the Narada after exiting warp.
Indeed. Sulu's parking brake incident was the real reason our heroes survived... Thanks to that, there was already a debris cloud in place to mask the arrival of the Enterprise, with no less than two saucer halves marked "NCC-1621" standing between her and the Narada!
No it was Uhura and Kirk's information. Because of this the ship dropped out of warp at red alert and full shields.
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Old December 14 2009, 09:11 PM   #109
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I didn't get the impression that Uhura was a cadet, more one of Pike's junior officers, in Iowa overseeing the Enterprise's construction and in San Francisco/academy helping to build Enterprise's first crew.
Saavik in ST II was both a cadet and a lieutenant.
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Old December 14 2009, 09:12 PM   #110
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^Good point and as side note I hope that in ten years they reintroduce her character somehow.
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Old December 14 2009, 09:25 PM   #111
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No it was Uhura and Kirk's information. Because of this the ship dropped out of warp at red alert and full shields.
Which it didn't really need because the Narada didn't detect the Enterprise for almost a complete minute. And the Debris wasn't really doing anything to the ship anyways and the shields didn't do squat against them. You can see slow moving chunks making dents for crying out loud.
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Old December 14 2009, 09:55 PM   #112
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No it was Uhura and Kirk's information. Because of this the ship dropped out of warp at red alert and full shields.
Which it didn't really need because the Narada didn't detect the Enterprise for almost a complete minute. And the Debris wasn't really doing anything to the ship anyways and the shields didn't do squat against them. You can see slow moving chunks making dents for crying out loud.
Just think what would have happened without the shileds. I didn't notice any chunks making dents. They manage to avoid most of the big chunks. The one chunk that scrapes along the Enterprise breaks up on contact with the shields/hull.
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Old December 14 2009, 11:10 PM   #113
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Just think what would have happened without the shileds.
Ya. Slow moving debris making scratches on the hull. Really, if the hull wasn't built to withstand slow moving impacts from space objects like that, what makes it fit for space conditions?

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I didn't notice any chunks making dents.
TIME TABLE: 47 minutes and 8 seconds into the movie. The second exterior shot of the Enterprise going through the debris. You can see a large moving object hit the Enterprise's hull just above the right side of the impulse engine. When it makes contact with the hull and moves away, it leaves a fairly big mark that was not there before.
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Old December 14 2009, 11:14 PM   #114
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No it was Uhura and Kirk's information. Because of this the ship dropped out of warp at red alert and full shields.
Which it didn't really need because the Narada didn't detect the Enterprise for almost a complete minute. And the Debris wasn't really doing anything to the ship anyways and the shields didn't do squat against them. You can see slow moving chunks making dents for crying out loud.
Just think what would have happened without the shileds. I didn't notice any chunks making dents. They manage to avoid most of the big chunks. The one chunk that scrapes along the Enterprise breaks up on contact with the shields/hull.
It's the Enterprise's nacelle that is breaking up, not the debris.

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Old December 14 2009, 11:20 PM   #115
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I didn't notice any chunks making dents.
TIME TABLE: 47 minutes and 8 seconds into the movie. The second exterior shot of the Enterprise going through the debris. You can see a large moving object hit the Enterprise's hull just above the right side of the impulse engine. When it makes contact with the hull and moves away, it leaves a fairly big mark that was not there before.
There goes the paint job

Before


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By the way seeing it on video it just bounces off & blackens the spot, it doesn't make any huge dents.
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Old December 14 2009, 11:51 PM   #116
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Which it didn't really need because the Narada didn't detect the Enterprise for almost a complete minute. And the Debris wasn't really doing anything to the ship anyways and the shields didn't do squat against them. You can see slow moving chunks making dents for crying out loud.
Just think what would have happened without the shileds. I didn't notice any chunks making dents. They manage to avoid most of the big chunks. The one chunk that scrapes along the Enterprise breaks up on contact with the shields/hull.
It's the Enterprise's nacelle that is breaking up, not the debris.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1216.jpg
Looks like you're right.
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Old December 15 2009, 12:00 AM   #117
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Which it didn't really need because the Narada didn't detect the Enterprise for almost a complete minute. And the Debris wasn't really doing anything to the ship anyways and the shields didn't do squat against them. You can see slow moving chunks making dents for crying out loud.
Just think what would have happened without the shileds. I didn't notice any chunks making dents. They manage to avoid most of the big chunks. The one chunk that scrapes along the Enterprise breaks up on contact with the shields/hull.
It's the Enterprise's nacelle that is breaking up, not the debris.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1216.jpg

And the Enterprise would have had the shields up immediately after they saw the debris and went to red alert anyway. Kirk's storming into the bridge was pretty much unneccessary. They had a full minute before Nero detected them, and the shields were apparently not protecting them from the debris.
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Old December 15 2009, 12:04 AM   #118
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Just think what would have happened without the shileds. I didn't notice any chunks making dents. They manage to avoid most of the big chunks. The one chunk that scrapes along the Enterprise breaks up on contact with the shields/hull.
It's the Enterprise's nacelle that is breaking up, not the debris.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1216.jpg

And the Enterprise would have had the shields up immediately after they saw the debris and went to red alert anyway. Kirk's storming into the bridge was pretty much unneccessary. They had a full minute before Nero detected them, and the shields were apparently not protecting them from the debris.
Who knows, maybe that's the best the shields could do (they didn't seem that effective in the other TOS movies either). And like the earlier TOS movies, the shields might take a god-awful long time to fully activate so the added time given by Kirk's warning may have prevented worse damage.
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Old December 15 2009, 12:06 AM   #119
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Better to have the sheilds up and n red alert before hand in any case. That minute would have been alot worse. Perhaps the difference between damage and destruction.
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That's real life vs. fiction to you.


Using coincidences to connect all the plot points and characters is the lamest and most boring way of conceiving a story.
I know, I was just watching this movie on DVD. This kid whose parents were murdered right in front of him just happened to be unfathomably rich and well connected. He was also in perfect physical health and really smart. And guess what, this dude who looks like God, who just happenes to work for his parents' coprporation is like this genius inventor with this room full of gadgets and body armor (and amored jet-car too). And get this ---there just happens to be a bat-cave underneath his family's mansion, that of course, might come in handy one day as a secret lair if this kid ever grows up and wants to fight crime. I mean, this movie whatever it was called, was just full of coincidences like that. It was completly implausible. I can't see how any one could get on board something that requires you suspend your disbelief to such a ridiculous degree.

On a serious note, there were a lot of coincidences in STXi, but up until the Ice Cave bit with Spock, I was aliright with all of them, as they were all a means to an end. And IMHO, a fucking awesome one at that. and even the Ice Cave/Delta Vega sequence is forgivable, because it introduces both Leonard Nimoy and Simon Pegg.

P.S., I love Tara's post. It makes me want to watch the movie again.
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