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Old October 25 2009, 02:58 PM   #31
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Re: Season 3 Blu-Ray: December 15

I've always loved seeing different edits of films and TV shows, whether it's Blade Runner, Superman II, the Alien movies, serials like Doctor Who recut to feature-length with cut footage originally dropped to bring it on time. Seeing the original cut of Where No Man Has Gone Before is on that level. Sure the difference amounts to a just few minutes, that's still enough time to cast the whole episode in a different light. It's down to the individual to decide which is better... It's an obsessive fan gene for sure and it doesn't necessarily matter to your average viewer. They're perfectly willing to just have an end product, with or without Deckerd's on the nose, Marlowesque voice-over, an overly comedic Superman sequel or not. So long as both versions co-exist. The more time passes, the more it doesn't matter. The more choice the merrier.
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Old October 25 2009, 06:12 PM   #32
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alternate edits, deleted scenes & Trek

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I've always loved seeing different edits of films and TV shows, whether it's Blade Runner, Superman II, the Alien movies

It's down to the individual to decide which is better...

So long as both versions co-exist. The more time passes, the more it doesn't matter.
ChristopherPike that was so well said! As Trek fans we would all love to see the 'what ifs...' of cutting room floor outtakes and deleted scenes and even the unshot but storyboarded sequences edited together with someone reading the scripted dialogue and descriptions.
With the DVD medium we got deleted scenes as well as all the behind the scenes footage shot on location starting with Generations.
For fans to be able to have this stuff is great. Even for an film like ST V:TFF we are (mostly) happy to hear about what could have been.
I haven't seen Superman II the Richard Donner Cut but I know it's out there.
Yes in 40 years who knows if both versions will be talked about and remembered as part of Hollywood history.
Roddenberry's multiple efforts (The Cage & 2nd pilot) getting TOS up and running and the popularity and longevity of the Trek franchise allow for these unaired episode/alternate edits to be seen by fans. If Paramount/CBS Home Video can make money with this stuff they will. Who other than Trek fans really cares to see two 1970s TV pilots that were not produced as TV series Genesis II, & Planet Earth on DVD? Warner Brothers knew they would be able to sell them...
The director's cut of Aliens (1986) really adds to Ripley's backstory and her connection with Newt. The film doesn't really seem to suffer for being too long. I have the DVD and think it's a great film and am glad to have these scenes added back in.

While off topic that said it is HIGHLY unlikely there will be a director's cut with new visual effects of STV:TFF that Paramount/CBS would have to put money into. The 2003 Sp.Col. Edition DVD will be the last time I think we'll see it as it was included on Star Trek Motion Picture Collection (Blu-Ray) but not released as a separate release you could purchase.
Highly unlikely they'll put any money into releasing a sp. col. edition Blu-Ray of STV:TFF other than less digital noise reduction on the video image. Some films we don't need to see any more work put into.

Perhaps down the road Paramount/CBS Home Video would be willing to release more alternative-edited Trek when the home video well runs dry between nuTrek films after the eventual ENTERPRISE series Blu-ray release & maybe like Warner Brothers have done with a DVD-R release so as to make small duplication runs instead of a high # of duplications to possibly be sitting in a warehouse unsold?

Star Trek: Enterprise The Complete First Season has 16 deleted scenes on the DVD
Star Trek: Enterprise The Complete Second Season has 8 deleted scenes on the DVD
Star Trek: Enterprise The Complete Third Season has 6 deleted scenes on the DVD
Star Trek: Enterprise The Complete Fourth Season has 3 deleted scenes on the DVD

No deleted scenes are on the TNG, VOY, and DS9 DVDs.
Are there deleted scenes from TNG, VOY, and DS9 episodes we'd like to see? I'm sure there are even in subpar one-light workprint form on 3/4" or BetaSP format 20-year old videotapes. That's how some of the Motion Picture collection deleted scenes have been presented even on the Blu-rays but we are happy to have them to see the what ifs...

Such as the NOT included deleted scenes - like Quark's cut bit from Insurrection.

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Old October 25 2009, 06:46 PM   #33
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Re: STAR TREK 2nd PILOT Reconstructed

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Just came across this.
STAR TREK 2nd PILOT Reconstructed
A compilation of alternate and trimmed footage lasting about 10 minutes. Using The Cage B&W reconstruction as inspiration, I've crossfaded in some of the broadcast footage.
the differences between the unaired and aired versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBGSaBZynw
Length: 9:51
The purpose of this video is to highlight differences between versions.

We'll see if the unaired 2nd pilot looks like this on the Blu-ray.
Thanks for the link!
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Old October 26 2009, 06:39 AM   #34
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Are there deleted scenes from TNG, VOY, and DS9 episodes we'd like to see?
I'd like to see David Rappaport's version of Kivas Fajo in "The Most Toys."
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Old November 9 2009, 02:53 PM   #35
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TOS season 1-3 Blu-ray

I just noticed on Amazon.com they have all 3 seasons of TOS on Blu-ray as a package.
Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray]
Price: $175.99
This item will be released on Dec 15, 2009.
That is $58.66/season

I wonder if it will come down in July or December 2010 to around $120. for those Trek fans waiting for a good Blu-ray price...
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Old November 17 2009, 03:37 PM   #36
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2nd pilot WNMHGB specs

the alternate version of the series' second pilot film, "Where No Man Has Gone Before", newly discovered

a German film collector acquired a 35-millimeter print some years back and brought it to the attention of CBS Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Entertainment. The print itself was transferred to HD video by Magic Picture Home Entertainment Gmbh and was transported in September 2009 to the United States. Upon arrival, the digital restoration department at CBS Home Entertainment spent many hours color-correcting the video and cleaning the film, frame by frame, of all dirt to present the best possible picture quality deserving of a Blu-ray release.
CBS/PARAMOUNT HOME ENTERTAINMENT TO RELEASE RESTORED VERSION OF ALTERNATE "STAR TREK" PILOT ON BLU-RAY
An exclusive report for TrekWeb.com by Bill Williams Nov.16, 2009


So this pilot will obviously be 1 (and possibly 2) generation(s) from the original camera negatives that TOS seasons 1-3 have been telecined from for the Blu-ray releases. Thus it will have more film grain and be a little contrastier on the non-visual effects shots.
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Old November 23 2009, 08:08 PM   #37
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Re: TOS season 1-3 Blu-ray

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I just noticed on Amazon.com they have all 3 seasons of TOS on Blu-ray as a package.
Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray]
Price: $175.99
This item will be released on Dec 15, 2009.
That is $58.66/season

I wonder if it will come down in July or December 2010 to around $120. for those Trek fans waiting for a good Blu-ray price...
This is the set I want to buy. I'll bet it'll be cheaper than that when it is released less than 2 weeks before Christmas.
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Old December 3 2009, 10:06 PM   #38
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a review is up! blu-ray.com

blu-ray.com has just reviewed it. with 10 screenshots.


the extended version of "The Cage;" black and white elements understandably feature plenty of wear and tear, but the color footage is positively gorgeous, practically clean as a whistle and wonderfully detailed.

With the inclusion of no less than three versions of "The Cage" and a never-before-seen variation on "Where No Man Has Gone Before," it's easy to proclaim this set a must-own for any true "Star Trek" enthusiast.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-T...y-Review/7192/
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Old December 3 2009, 11:49 PM   #39
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The Digital Bits review

DISC SIX - Episodes:
The Cage,
The Cage (Extended Version) and
Where No Man Has Gone Before (Unaired, Alternate Version).
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/review...ws120109a.html
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Old December 9 2009, 07:49 AM   #40
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Re: Season 3 Blu-Ray: December 15

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I wonder if they will release a blu ray collection of the Animaited Series. I think they should, since it is part of TOS crew.
I haven't opened my TOS S2 set yet, although if "More Tribbles, More Troubles" is indeed in HD, then that might be possible.

I also like to see blu ray versions of TNG series as well.
That, OTOH, will NOT be possible. Not without redoing all the editing and effects (which were done on videotape) from scratch.

The next Trek series to come out on Blu-Ray will probably be Enterprise, which was made from the get-go to be airable in HD.
On Season 2 the disc that has Trouble with Tribbles, they do have the episode from The Animaited Series More Tribbles More Troubles on it as well an episode from DS9 too. I have watched the whole dvd set expepet for the special features. Anyways I cant wait for season 3 which is only a week away. I like to see my other favorite episodes on there as well watch the others I havent seen in long time.
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Old December 10 2009, 01:51 AM   #41
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Re: Season 3 Blu-Ray: December 15

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I wonder if they will release a blu ray collection of the Animaited Series. I think they should, since it is part of TOS crew.
I haven't opened my TOS S2 set yet, although if "More Tribbles, More Troubles" is indeed in HD, then that might be possible.

I also like to see blu ray versions of TNG series as well.
That, OTOH, will NOT be possible. Not without redoing all the editing and effects (which were done on videotape) from scratch.

The next Trek series to come out on Blu-Ray will probably be Enterprise, which was made from the get-go to be airable in HD.
On Season 2 the disc that has Trouble with Tribbles, they do have the episode from The Animaited Series More Tribbles More Troubles on it as well an episode from DS9 too.
The DS9 episode is only in standard definition.
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Old December 13 2009, 05:21 PM   #42
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Season 3 Blu-Ray review

But a layer of film grain added to the CG makes this set the smoothest remastered collection of the original crew's five-year mission.
Check out the aforementioned "Enterprise Incident" and "The Cloud Minders," the latter of which boasts a CG city atop real-looking clouds, as opposed to a cardboard outline of a metroplex floating atop a bunch of cotton balls in the original airing. Also, "Tholian" boasts impressive effects that enhance the story
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The Audio 10 out of 10
From phaser hits to atmospheric sound effects, the series has never sounded better.
Season 3 Blu-ray Review
http://bluray.ign.com/articles/105/1052677p1.html
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Old December 14 2009, 01:32 AM   #43
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While off topic that said it is HIGHLY unlikely there will be a director's cut with new visual effects of STV:TFF that Paramount/CBS would have to put money into. The 2003 Sp.Col. Edition DVD will be the last time I think we'll see it as it was included on Star Trek Motion Picture Collection (Blu-Ray) but not released as a separate release you could purchase.
Highly unlikely they'll put any money into releasing a sp. col. edition Blu-Ray of STV:TFF other than less digital noise reduction on the video image. Some films we don't need to see any more work put into.
Not trying to sound like a jerk, but how do you know its highly unlikely?

They did it with TMP, so I don't see why they wouldn't do it with the only other "troubled production" Trek film. And Shatner has expressed interest in doing it, so its not like he wouldn't jump at the chance...

This is Paramount we're talking about, and when it comes to Trek, they are all about milking the franchise for all it's worth. A newly created Director's Edition would get fans (even most that loathe the movie) to fork over more cash to see it, at least as a curiosity piece.
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Old December 14 2009, 03:49 AM   #44
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STV:TFF on Blu-ray

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it was included on <i>Star Trek Motion Picture Collection</i> (Blu-Ray) but not released as a separate release you could purchase.<br />
Highly unlikely they'll put any money into releasing a sp. col. edition Blu-Ray of STV:TFF other than less digital noise reduction on the video image.
Not trying to sound like a jerk, but how do you know its highly unlikely?
While Paramount does like to triple dip fans for Trek shows and films the business decision not to release STV:TFF as a single disc Blu-ray in 2009 points to the return on investment not being worth it. It was included on the 6-disc Blu-ray movie collection as Paramount felt that fans who wanted to see it would purchase all 6 films.
I stand by my original post.
STV:TFF is by many fans considered the weakest Trek film (certainly of the original 6 films). Paramount knows that fans will purchase a box set of the 6 films or else all 11 films on Blu-ray. I see you haven't posted on this thread:
Hypothetical: If Paramount ponied up the cash for Shatner to fix STV- Perhaps you should read it and post there.
This is the wrong thread to discuss STV:TFF.
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Old December 14 2009, 11:46 AM   #45
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This is the wrong thread to discuss STV:TFF.
True, I just wanted to make a quick point.

Anyway, you make some good points yourself, but I still think we'll see a Director's Edition one day.

I guess we'll see which of us ends up being right...
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