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Old December 9 2009, 04:16 PM   #76
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Re: 47 Klingon Ships and Uhura

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I state it here right now that as long as Uhura's role is restricted to a comms officer, she will never be more than what she was. Being romantically involved with Spock does not add to her character. Take the Transporter room scene for instance.

"I'll be monitoring your frequencies."

Yes, the lady sees the men off so they can do their manly things while she stays behind and does NOTHING useful but run back into the Transporter room when Spock and crew beams back up.
The problem is as much to do with the fact that Spock and Kirk will dominate no matter what. It doesn't surprise me that the only way the Trek writers could think of giving a woman more to do was to make her a girlfriend of the major male characters. They're traditionally rather unimaginative when it comes to the equality of the sexes.

I can't see any reason why Olsen couldn't have been a woman to even up the numbers but I was shouted down on another thread by someone who said the writers should concentrate on writing fun stories instead of applying artificial 'quotas.' I'm no genius but even I can work out that in an organisation that practises full equality of the sexes, 50% of crew, captains, admirals, engineers, security officers etc should be male and female. NuTrek came nowhere near and yet it's just a question of monitoring the the characters as they're cast.

I think one way we could see Uhura do more worthwhile action stuff is if she is attached to command a security detail (of male and female officers) like she was in City on the Edge of Forever. Rand is probably better suited to accompanying landing parties more generally so I'm hopeful that she might feature in a sequel, even if largely as a background character.
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Old December 10 2009, 03:05 AM   #77
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This thread has grown larger than I expected it to. First I should clarify that I posted this thread because I thought I had made an observation in Uhura that could be seen as a major neglect on her part because of bad writing. Through reading several of the posts since my original post and provided with suggested evidence that she possibility could have reported her findings to a superior officer before she left the lab early as Gaila noted when she came into the dorm. As for over-analyzing the scene...and not easily filling in the blanks...I thought I'd bring it up for a fun discussion...didn't realize that people would be so serious about it as one person who brought up the Chekov/Khan thing.
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Old December 10 2009, 05:18 AM   #78
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This is a Trek BBS, serious business.
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Old December 10 2009, 05:35 AM   #79
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^ Apparently so
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Old December 10 2009, 05:47 AM   #80
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Re: 47 Klingon Ships and Uhura--Nitpicking Time

This may have been mentioned in the other comments... I always took the Comms guy who can't distinguish Romulan from Vulcan as Uhura's direct supervisor. He didn't think it was important enough to pass the message on-- so now he's a peon in a sea of peons below decks (where she was when Kirk found her). At least that's the way I would write it.
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Old December 11 2009, 03:16 AM   #81
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Yeah I think the guy that Uhura replaced was maybe the senior communications officer just like Olsen was the Chief Engineer.
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Old December 11 2009, 03:41 AM   #82
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Sulu was a replacement too.
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Old December 11 2009, 03:54 AM   #83
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Come to think of it, only Chekov and Spock were members of Pike's "official" bridge crew

Sulu, Kirk, Uhura and Scotty all stepped in to fill "vacant" slots. (as did McCoy)
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Old December 11 2009, 12:07 PM   #84
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This thread has grown larger than I expected it to. First I should clarify that I posted this thread because I thought I had made an observation in Uhura that could be seen as a major neglect on her part because of bad writing. Through reading several of the posts since my original post and provided with suggested evidence that she possibility could have reported her findings to a superior officer before she left the lab early as Gaila noted when she came into the dorm. As for over-analyzing the scene...and not easily filling in the blanks...I thought I'd bring it up for a fun discussion...didn't realize that people would be so serious about it as one person who brought up the Chekov/Khan thing.
Heh - the short answer is that she was almost certainly dismissed after reporting her findings to her superiors.

As for the rest, some of us feel quite strongly that if Uhura is going to get up out of her chair and leave her post, at least give her something more worthwhile to do than stand by her man.
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Old December 12 2009, 05:01 AM   #85
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Something has been nagging me since seeing the film...in the scene with Uhura talking to Gaila and Kirk hiding under the bed she mentions she was in the communications room and monitored a battle between 47 Klingon battlecruisers and a Romulan vessel. Now one would think this would merit immediately informing her superiors about a major space battle involving two bordering space powers
She's back early, surprising Gaila, because the powers-that-be got all the cadets and unauthorized underlings out of the communications room so that decisions could be made. Of course she reported it.
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Old December 12 2009, 09:10 AM   #86
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^ That's the problem. The plot is dependent on a string of improbable coincidences.
And real wars have no doubt owed a lot to coincidence.
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Old December 12 2009, 10:14 AM   #87
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^ That's the problem. The plot is dependent on a string of improbable coincidences.
And real wars have no doubt owed a lot to coincidence.
That's real life vs. fiction to you.


Using coincidences to connect all the plot points and characters is the lamest and most boring way of conceiving a story.
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Old December 12 2009, 07:50 PM   #88
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I'll let Shakespeare know.
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Old December 13 2009, 02:31 AM   #89
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^ LOL
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Old December 13 2009, 07:36 PM   #90
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The dialogue still dosn't give any indication that she reported the battle to a superior officer and then was dismissed.
The dialogue doesn't have to. Gaila's complete surprise at her roommate returning home from a shift unexpectedly early tells us everything we need to know.

Audiences are capable of making these leaps; in fact we demand it. Explanations for absolutely everything in dialogue form is spoonfeeding. The only people dissecting the movie and analyzing all of its parts are the diehard fans, and we are fully capable of filling out the gaps and reading tie-in comics and novels that will dwell on all the trivia and connect the dots.

Spoonfed dialogue can add many minutes, over its length, to a film and then you have general audiences complaining that the film drags.
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