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Old December 9 2009, 02:35 PM   #31
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^But that's not much of a motivation. Why did he want to rule Krypton? What was there about his psychology, his history, that made him crave political power over other life goals, and made him so ruthless, amoral, and sadistic in pursuit of that goal? That's what motivation means.

Smallville's Zod is clearly an ambitious, charismatic man, a natural leader, but that alone doesn't make a tyrant, and we saw that he was originally a more noble figure, the kind of leader one could admire, a man concerned with the well-being of those he was responsible for, a man who had friends and loved his family. We've seen how he was changed by the death of his son and by Jor-El's refusal to take an action that could have (in Zod's mind) saved his son's life. That turned him bitter and angry, allowed the darker side of his nature to come out and begin overwhelming his better angels. Deprived of love, deprived of family, all he has left is the will to power, and the desire to punish the society whose laws condemned his son. That's a motivation.
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Old December 10 2009, 12:58 AM   #32
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Christopher,

You are right that they didn't explore General Zod's backstory in the films. All we get his that he wanted to establish a new order. But his desire for revenge after his imprisonment is a very clear and strong motivation, first to finally conquer a planet and second to make the son of Jor-El pay. And I think Stamp did a better job of making Zod a credible threat with far less time than Callum Blue has been given with the job and the admittedly better developed backstory.
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Old December 10 2009, 01:15 AM   #33
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Really, it's apples and oranges. The Reeve movies were products of a time when superhero stories in cinema (and still to some extent in comics) were a lot more simplistic and juvenile. Those movies' Zod didn't have to be anything more than a straightforward moustache-twirling baddie. Smallville is a modern serialized drama, a product of a time when fiction in general, including superhero fiction, is expected to have deeper storylines and characterizations. So while there's definitely an element of homage to the movies' Zod (Callum Blue is doing a strikingly good Terence Stamp impression as Major Zod, and of course Stamp himself is the voice of the Jor-El program in the Fortress of Solitude), they're different characters in different realities. So the comparison seems somewhat misguided to me. It's like treating Kevin Conroy's Batman and Adam West's Batman as the same character.
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Old December 10 2009, 01:38 AM   #34
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The question about Zod in Smallville is interesting. Have you guys seen the animated shorts "The Kara Chronicles" that were included in the season seven DVD? They give some insight into the war on Krypton and Zor-El's involvement in it and his relationship with then General Zod.

The thing about this clone Major Zod is that he ISN'T General Zod yet...he's not the man who will betray the High Council and start whatever revolution he starts in the future. This is the trouble that I have with him being a villian, he's not a villain yet. He has characteristics that will make him into the man we all know and love...but hasn't gone through those events yet. Smallville used General Zod already, he's imprisioned in the Phantom Zone, I dunno I'm having trouble explaining my thoughts on this subject but so far I've been disappointed in how they've handled this Zod. Also why did they have to make him friends with Jor-El? In the comics Non was Jor-El's mentor (Geoff Johns retconned this) and when he was lobomized by the Council that is when Zod decided to resign and go against the Council. He even attempted to recruit Jor-El.
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Old December 10 2009, 04:32 AM   #35
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The problem the show has now is focus. What story are they trying to tell? Clark/The Blur/Kal El handling Zod & The Kandorians or Clark becoming a costumed Superhero. I think the show in the past was clear and focused with fillers of course...it seem going into 2 different directions this season and in the last one also.
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This is the trouble that I have with him being a villian, he's not a villain yet. He has characteristics that will make him into the man we all know and love...but hasn't gone through those events yet. Smallville used General Zod already, he's imprisioned in the Phantom Zone, I dunno I'm having trouble explaining my thoughts on this subject but so far I've been disappointed in how they've handled this Zod. Also why did they have to make him friends with Jor-El? In the comics Non was Jor-El's mentor (Geoff Johns retconned this) and when he was lobomized by the Council that is when Zod decided to resign and go against the Council. He even attempted to recruit Jor-El.
Let's see... a morally ambiguous character, likeable but flawed, destined to become a great villain but not a villain yet, and he makes friends with a member of the House of El who's destined to become his archenemy... sound like anyone we know? It worked before, why not now?
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Old December 10 2009, 04:43 AM   #37
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Based on that are we gonna see 5 more seasons of Smallville???

It to 5 from the time Clark met Lex to become his enemy.
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Old December 10 2009, 05:01 AM   #38
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I think that's taking the analogy way too literally.
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I'm not saying that the formula can't work...just saying why they should repeat it at all? Major Zod is indeed essentially Lex Luthor's replacement if that is what you were trying to imply Christopher, he's inhabited Luthor mansion, taken on Tess...I guess I'm ultimately saying I wish he was used differently. I don't have any suggestion on how, just that he was.
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Old December 10 2009, 11:47 PM   #40
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Christopher,

Perhaps as a matter of personal taste, I don't think Blue is doing a good impression of Terrence Stamp's Zod. And the homages invite comparisons, far more than say Michael Rosenbaum and Gene Hackman. They pretty much started with a full do-over for Lex, bringing him more in line with the modern take on the character. However, with Zod, I don't think they've cut from so fresh a cloth. Perhaps due to the lack of development Zod has received over the years in the comics. The shadow of Stamp's performance lingers over Blue's Zod. Stamp's likeness has been used twice on the show previously to represent General Zod and we know that Major Zod is supposed to somewhere down the line become this man. So, I don't think its a misguided comparison at all. The realities are different, but not as dissimilar as Conroy and West's Batworlds.
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Old December 11 2009, 12:43 AM   #41
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^Well, of course it shouldn't be an exact impression, since it's not the same character, and since he naturally should be bringing his own interpretation to the role. But his interpretation clearly includes elements of Stamp's diction, making it a clear homage.

And just because Stamp's face was used doesn't mean this show's Zod is meant or required to be exactly the same character from the movies. So I stand by my position that it's best not to invest too heavily in that comparison.
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