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Old December 8 2009, 01:41 AM   #31
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Re: 47 Klingon Ships and Uhura

Er, I thought the implication that she did inform her superiors was there when she came home early from the lab.

And maybe the primary fleet WAS deployed to monitor the situation?
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Old December 8 2009, 01:46 AM   #32
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That's what you do in a tense crisis situation. Abandon your post in the command center because your shipmate is sad.
Uhura didn't abandon her post; she walked to the elevator to ask an officer where he was going. That's the kind of information she will be asked.

And in the subsequent case, she didn't abandon her post; they're allowed to leave the bridge when necessary, in the hands of other officers. And Spock, as commanding officer, seemed to appreciate it.

You know that's odd. When I served in the military you didn't abandon your post without proper authorization prior to leaving it. In fact it was a general order that you did not leave your post w/o permission.

If she was temporarily in charge, she could have left the post, but that would require she appoint someone, no matter how temporary, to assume command.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:53 AM   #33
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You know that's odd. When I served in the military you didn't abandon your post without proper authorization prior to leaving it. In fact it was a general order that you did not leave your post w/o permission.
Meh. Given the circumstances, I doubt they'll be rushing to court martial her over it.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:56 AM   #34
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That's another thing about the movie...the discipline of the officers is atrocious even for Star Trek. Not just Uhura abandoning her post like you mentioned but everyone standing around watching Spock and Kirk fight and not calling security or intervening. Then the obvious Kirk moment of him assuming command...Bones' over dramatic statement of we have no first officer and no god damn captain or however order it went. Um last time I checked Bones you are a Lt. Commander...unless those stripes on your sleeves mean nothing, Sulu is a Lt, Uhura was promoted on the spot and is a Lt she could take command. Instead everyone is waiting around...until Jim sits down and declares himself Captain. Don't get me wrong...I love this movie...there are aspects about it that bother me though.

Also why are the Romulans using alternate timeline pistols and blasters when they should be using their 24th century disrupters? They should have used Prime Trek sound effects, unless of course those weapons were confiscatd by the Klingons when they were boarded and taken to Rura Penthe.
Bones is a medical corps (staff) officer, not a line officer.

As for the Uhura question, protocol gives way to plot conveniences.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:56 AM   #35
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You know that's odd. When I served in the military you didn't abandon your post without proper authorization prior to leaving it. In fact it was a general order that you did not leave your post w/o permission.

If she was temporarily in charge, she could have left the post, but that would require she appoint someone, no matter how temporary, to assume command.
It's not odd; it's not abandoning her post: she walked to the elevator and asked the captain where he was going, which as I indicated and you quoted, is information she would be asked and needed to know.

Then she accompanied the captain, who could have reprimanded her had he thought she was abandoning her post in that situation. As already pointed out, she's not alone at communications.
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Old December 8 2009, 02:01 AM   #36
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Kelso, something weird is going on with the quote function. Every time I quote something, your name is at the top of it. It seems to be hung up in there.
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Old December 8 2009, 02:05 AM   #37
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Kelso, something weird is going on with the quote function. Every time I quote something, your name is at the top of it. It seems to be hung up in there.
The internet gods are trying to tell you something.
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Old December 8 2009, 02:11 AM   #38
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It started when I used the multi-quote feature...
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Old December 8 2009, 02:34 AM   #39
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I realize that McCoy wasn't a line officer, he was just a general example, someone though should have assumed command within the natural command structure of the ship instead of letting a cadet who was on probation assume command (that was one of the few negatives and I know that has been brought up before).

Also I never meant that she didn't inform Pike...I meant whoever was the senior officer inside of the sensor lab/communications room when she monitored the battle. Perhaps it was implied that she did inform someone, I just recall that Pike seemed surprised about the information when Uhura mentions it on the bridge.

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Old December 8 2009, 02:54 AM   #40
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Pike explicitly promoted Kirk to first officer. We all heard the line. This means that as soon as Pike said it Kirk became the highest ranking command officer second only to Spock.
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Old December 8 2009, 03:08 AM   #41
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It started when I used the multi-quote feature...
Try looking just below the text-entry box on the Reply to Thread screen. Do you see something which reads "You have selected 1 post that is not part of this thread. Quote this post as well, or deselect this post"? If so, clicking on "deselect this post" should clear that up.


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Something has been nagging me since seeing the film...in the scene with Uhura talking to Gaila and Kirk hiding under the bed she mentions she was in the communications room and monitored a battle between 47 Klingon battlecruisers and a Romulan vessel.
There was no mention in that scene of a Romulan vessel, only that "a Klingon armada was destroyed - 47 ships."

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Now one would think this would merit immediately informing her superiors about a major space battle involving two bordering space powers but instead no one finds out about this until later onboard Enterprise when Kirk brings it up to Pike and Spock and Uhura confirms her discover.
Not so. Examine the dialogue:
UHURA: Strangest thing... I was in the long range sensor lab.
GAILA: Yeah, I thought all night...
UHURA: I was tracking solar systems and I picked up an emergency transmission.
GAILA: Really?
UHURA: Yeah. From a Klingon prison planet.
GAILA: No.
UHURA: Yeah. A Klingon armada was destroyed, 47 ships.
GAILA: So, you're not going back to the lab tonight?
UHURA: Gaila, who is he?
GAILA: Who's who?
UHURA: The mouth-breather hiding under your bed.
Note in particular the underlined parts. Uhura was scheduled for an all-night shift, but returned to her quarters early, which strongly suggests that she did, in fact, report the emergency transmission to her superior and was then dismissed.

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One would think that a Cadet would inform their superior officer of such a discover particularly when a single Romulan vessel manages to destroy 47 Klingon ships. No wonder Narada was able to attack Vulcan so easily...no one was informed of it until it was too late.
To recap, it's a simple thing to read between the lines of the dialogue quoted above and to see that her superior officer was informed, after which Uhura was sent home for the remainder of her scheduled shift, and that there was nothing in the intercepted transmission which mentioned a Romulan vessel (or, apparently, any vessel at all besides those 47 Klingon craft which were destroyed.)
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Old December 8 2009, 03:58 AM   #42
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Re: 47 Klingon Ships and Uhura--Nitpicking Time

My mistake about the mention of a Romulan vessel...I think I mixed that up when it was being discussed on the bridge. The dialogue still dosn't give any indication that she reported the battle to a superior officer and then was dismissed. We don't even know where she immediately came from when she was changing her outfit. All I'm saying is that i would have liked to have seen an added line that she reported this...I'll have to go and watch the scene again
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Old December 8 2009, 04:30 AM   #43
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M', thanks. I went to another thread, and it cleared up by itself.
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Old December 8 2009, 05:42 AM   #44
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My mistake about the mention of a Romulan vessel...I think I mixed that up when it was being discussed on the bridge. The dialogue still dosn't give any indication that she reported the battle to a superior officer and then was dismissed. We don't even know where she immediately came from when she was changing her outfit. All I'm saying is that i would have liked to have seen an added line that she reported this...I'll have to go and watch the scene again
Gaila says that Uhura's back early, obviously from her job at communications where she monitored the transmission. Having her say, "I told my superior officer" is unnecessary since it's implied by the fact that she was sent home early.
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Old December 8 2009, 10:50 AM   #45
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Regarding the string of amazing coincidences that is STXI, there would have been a pretty simple way to write this particular plot twist without making it a string of coincidences.

As written, the heroes are saved solely because two things happen together: Sulu forgets to release the parking brake, and Kirk overhears bits of discussion that make him realize what they may be facing. Now, if we remove Kirk from the equation, we remove the entire movie. Several people probably overheard those bits of discussion, but only Kirk would be capable of putting the pieces together (and wrongly so, because the "space storm" this time around didn't mark the arrival of the villain, but of Spock, but all's well that ends well). So it's not a big coincidence that the ship with Kirk aboard would be the only one to survive.

Just leave out the parking brake bit. If Kirk manages to work out their dire straits in time, there is no story requirement for the Enterprise to be lagging behind the rest of the fleet. Kirk might simply convince Pike to stop to think for a while, or to slow down. The rest of the fleet would decide not to follow Pike's lead (understandable because Nero would be jamming communications, and one ship falling behind would not be seen as a warning sign, but would be interpreted as a mere malfunction of some sort), would continue their merry way, and would perish.

Just one example of how the story as written is built on a pile of coincidences, when it actually doesn't have to be...

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