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Old December 8 2009, 12:51 AM   #16
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She's his friend if nothing else; and he obviously needs her at those couple of moments.
That's what you do in a tense crisis situation. Abandon your post in the command center because your shipmate is sad.


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Well, they monitored transmissions regarding a battle, versus receiving a distress call from a Federation member. It'd be like an India-Pakistan conflict versus Canada specifically requesting immediate assistance.
If the Pakistani would nuke a city, people would know, even if Canada suddenly broke into pieces and sunk into the ocean.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:52 AM   #17
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They weren't briefed on a battle that took place like 1 or 2 days before, of a battle of 1 Romulan ship against 47 Klingon ships, IN the Neutral Zone, but were immediately briefed on some earthquakes on Vulcan?I can't agree with that logic.I also wonder why no one at Starfleet realized that this huge ass ship that just pulverized 50 ships entered Federation core space.
Yes. I don't think everyone was briefed on the Klingon/Romulan battle; and I think a rescue call from their greatest ally would be more important. They also don't know the details of the neutral zone battle. They have Uhura's message, and we heard what that said.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:55 AM   #18
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She's his friend if nothing else; and he obviously needs her at those couple of moments.
That's what you do in a tense crisis situation. Abandon your post in the command center because your shipmate is sad.


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Well, they monitored transmissions regarding a battle, versus receiving a distress call from a Federation member. It'd be like an India-Pakistan conflict versus Canada specifically requesting immediate assistance.
If the Pakistani would nuke a city, people would know, even if Canada suddenly broke into pieces and sunk into the ocean.
I think it this instance, it would be more like someone nuking Canada versus India-Pakistan having a border skirmish.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:56 AM   #19
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That's what you do in a tense crisis situation. Abandon your post in the command center because your shipmate is sad.
Uhura didn't abandon her post; she walked to the elevator to ask an officer where he was going. That's the kind of information she will be asked.

And in the subsequent case, she didn't abandon her post; they're allowed to leave the bridge when necessary, in the hands of other officers. And Spock, as commanding officer, seemed to appreciate it.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:56 AM   #20
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47 ships sounds like A LOT more than that.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:04 AM   #21
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47 ships sounds like A LOT more than that.
I guess it depends on the context. The Klingons and Romulans have been fighting for centuries by all accounts.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:05 AM   #22
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Had it gone as planned, when they got back from their rescue mission at Vulcan, I'm sure everybody would have been briefed on the 47 Pakistani aircraft the Indians shot down.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:11 AM   #23
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I'm sure Starfleet Intelligence, or Strategic Operations, or whoever was paying special attention to the transmission she intercepted, trying to verify its authenticity, and informing whoever else in the chain of command needed to know about the situation.

There is no reason to assume that every starship captain in the fleet would know about it the following morning.

The problem with the writing, in this instance, isn't that Pike and co. aren't aware of it... it is the giant whopping coincidence that Uhura just so happens to intercept the transmission and Kirk just so happens to be hiding under her roommate's bed while she's blathering about it (and then just so happens to wind up at the right place and time to do something with the info).

If you're going to criticize the film, at least pick out the correct flaws to criticize.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:14 AM   #24
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Kirk hearing the message was the reason they could save Earth. If he hadn't heard the message, they would have had to tell some other story.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:23 AM   #25
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^ That's the problem. The plot is dependent on a string of improbable coincidences.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:25 AM   #26
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Kirk hearing the message was the reason they could save Earth. If he hadn't heard the message, they would have had to tell some other story.
I just got the image of the the writer getting partway through the script, typing up that the Enterprise drops out of war in the middle of the Vulcan ambush and is promptly destroyed and then stopping and muttering, "... shit," before going back a few pages and moving Kirk into the Uhura scene.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:28 AM   #27
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^ That's the problem. The plot is dependent on a string of improbable coincidences.
No, it isn't; the point is that no one tells a story about something unremarkable.

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I just got the image of the the writer getting partway through the script, typing up that the Enterprise drops out of war in the middle of the Vulcan ambush and is promptly destroyed and then stopping and muttering, "... shit," before going back a few pages and moving Kirk into the Uhura scene.
^ see above.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:32 AM   #28
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^ That's the problem. The plot is dependent on a string of improbable coincidences.
No, it isn't; the point is that no one tells a story about something unremarkable.

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I just got the image of the the writer getting partway through the script, typing up that the Enterprise drops out of war in the middle of the Vulcan ambush and is promptly destroyed and then stopping and muttering, "... shit," before going back a few pages and moving Kirk into the Uhura scene.
^ see above.
Exciting and important stories can be told in a logical manner. Hell, the sequence of events would have been far more plausible if it had been Spock who figured out that they were flying in a trap. We were led to believe that he was her direct superior at the academy, after all. It wouldn't be a great stretch for him to have been aware of the transmission she intercepted. They would have needed another reason for Pike to spontaneously make Kirk the first officer, of course, but I'm sure they could have come up with something.

Not a perfect solution, but at least the coincidence wouldn't be compounded by several others.

EDIT TO ADD: That second post you quoted was not mine.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:35 AM   #29
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You're free to put together whatever story you want, but this one was going to be told with Kirk.

Edit: I edited the quote; thanks.
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Old December 8 2009, 01:36 AM   #30
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Bones' over dramatic statement of we have no first officer and no god damn captain or however order it went. Um last time I checked Bones you are a Lt. Commander...unless those stripes on your sleeves mean nothing,
As a medical officer, McCoy wouldn't have the authority to take command of the ship, regardless of his rank.
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