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Old December 6 2009, 05:53 AM   #436
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^ Indeed. While I am all for protecting the artistic integrity of the director's vision, I hardly doubt that each time we saw a ship on screen, the director had said "it MUST be an Excelsior class." Rather, I'm sure the director was told "we have stock footage of the Excelsior class, so that's what you're getting."
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Old December 6 2009, 07:14 AM   #437
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But changing all the ships would screw up canon.


CANON!!!!!
I'm not sure if you are being serious or not, but in the off chance you are, canon is violated if the ship of the week was explicitly said to be an Excelsior-class (in dialogue, not just visual shots) and the new effects made it into a Freedom-class without alterations to dialogue.

With that said, I wouldn't mind a TNG-R, so long as it was done properly, I'd prefer a more upstanding quality to the effects, but TOS-R was still just fine. A new work to the planets and the ships (especially the Enterprise which looked like a flat image at times) would be pretty cool. It could possibly offer chances to show proper angles on the ship of the week to show their name and registries to match what was being said. I would also hope they updated the designs, showing that Starfleet has several classes of recent designs rather then just the Galaxy, Nebula and later on the stuff we got from DS9, VOY and the TNG Films. In the Dominion War episodes, they could then keep some older designs, just to show a desperation on Starfleets part (which they were, right?).
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Old December 6 2009, 08:40 PM   #438
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But changing all the ships would screw up canon.


CANON!!!!!
I'm not sure if you are being serious or not
I'm not. I couldn't care less. I would want to see as many different ships as possible to replace to the stock footage of the Excelsior we saw most weeks.

But there are lots of people who would kick up a fuss. I felt duty bound to mock them.
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Old December 6 2009, 08:55 PM   #439
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maybe they should test it out on a couple of standout eps before they decide to go ahead and remaster the whole lot.
Well unfortunately here are the numbers of TV shows sold on Blu-ray:
Studios and retailers note that consumers have been relatively slow to embrace the overall TV on Blu-ray genre. To date, the average TV title streeting in standard and high-def sells just 5% of its copies on Blu-ray, sources said. That compares with a 12% to 15% Blu-ray average for theatrical new releases and 25% to 30% for some high-profile films.

Several TV shows that had upgraded to Blu-ray Disc have shifted back to standard-definition DVD-only releases, indicating hurdles in the adoption of the category.
Video Business, 12/4/2009
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6709928.html

This would give at least a little more reason to not proceed with an entire season of TNG-R if only for the Blu-ray market and no intention of TNG syndication in HD in the long term.
I've always felt it would be better to do a test as some 1 Blu-ray disc with say 3 TNG episodes on it.
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Old December 6 2009, 09:54 PM   #440
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canon is violated if the ship of the week was explicitly said to be an Excelsior-class (in dialogue, not just visual shots)
That never happened.

In TNG, whenever a "stock footage" ship would ferry a guest aboard, no one ever said in dialogue what class that ship was. So a TNG-R could change it to whatever class the EFX team wanted without violating anything.
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Old December 7 2009, 12:07 AM   #441
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jefferiestubes8;3647134This would give at least a little more reason to not proceed with an [I wrote:
entire season[/I] of TNG-R if only for the Blu-ray market and no intention of TNG syndication in HD in the long term.
I've always felt it would be better to do a test as some 1 Blu-ray disc with say 3 TNG episodes on it.
I think any TNG-R project, at this point in time, would have to be released on both DVD and Blu-ray in order to be profitable. While you certainly could not get high definition quality out of a DVD, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would pay for the general clean-up of the episodes and the enhanced effects.

I doubt a Blu-ray release alone would bring enough sales to justify the effort.

Personally, I'd really like to see them both test the waters, and also launch the whole thing, by taking a couple of TNG's most favored episodes -- Best of Both Worlds to start -- and giving them a full high definition remastering and new effects and then releasing them theatrically. The producers have always admitted that some of TNG's two-parters made better movies than the TNG movies did, and wished they could have been more ambitious with the effects. Well, here's their chance.
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Old December 7 2009, 12:12 AM   #442
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You're probably right. Such a release would be following the marketing strategy that CBS/Paramount/Whoever employed with the Star Trek Remastered project.

I'm not sure about TNG episodes being released theatrically. I'm not sure if the detail would hold up projected on such a large screen. But I enjoyed the big-screen release of "The Menagerie," so perhaps I'm wrong.
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Old December 7 2009, 01:29 AM   #443
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You're probably right. Such a release would be following the marketing strategy that CBS/Paramount/Whoever employed with the Star Trek Remastered project.

I'm not sure about TNG episodes being released theatrically. I'm not sure if the detail would hold up projected on such a large screen. But I enjoyed the big-screen release of "The Menagerie," so perhaps I'm wrong.
Remember, TNG was filmed on 35mm and only edited on video. If they have the original films used, they can redo the whole episode, then add on the new effects.
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Old December 7 2009, 04:17 PM   #444
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You're probably right. Such a release would be following the marketing strategy that CBS/Paramount/Whoever employed with the Star Trek Remastered project.

I'm not sure about TNG episodes being released theatrically. I'm not sure if the detail would hold up projected on such a large screen. But I enjoyed the big-screen release of "The Menagerie," so perhaps I'm wrong.
Give me Best of Both Worlds or Time's Arrow on the big screen. And the ending on BoBW, Picard looking out the window, a tear rolling down his cheek...that'd be a poignant ending to see big-screen.

HD! HD! HD! Remaster! Remaster! Remaster!

I'm eagerly awaiting news from Paramount.

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Old December 7 2009, 04:27 PM   #445
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canon is violated if the ship of the week was explicitly said to be an Excelsior-class (in dialogue, not just visual shots)
That never happened.

In TNG, whenever a "stock footage" ship would ferry a guest aboard, no one ever said in dialogue what class that ship was. So a TNG-R could change it to whatever class the EFX team wanted without violating anything.
Akira, Centaur, Challenger, Cheyenne, Constitution-Refit, Excelsior-Refit, Defender, Freedom, Miranda, New Orleans, Niagara, Norway, Polaris, Rigel, Saber, Shelley, Soyuz, Soyuz alt (board member's version), Springfield, Steamrunner... all classes that can be drawn from if a TNG-R were to be done. I would love to see the fleet the Enterprise D assembled against the Romulans to show a few more ships of different classes, and those 'rendezvous' show a few different ships and angles...and pump up the detail on the D! Show people moving in the windows every so often...have different windows lit up at different points in the show...

And for the sake of all the planets they went to - add some atmospheric effects, such as clouds, or birds flying, just something to make it look like more than a backdrop on a soundstage.

Those little details will make a lot of difference to those who pay attention to that sort of thing.

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Old December 7 2009, 04:42 PM   #446
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if TNG were filmed on 35 mm, does that mean there's more visual information out to the sides which would enable the crew to re-crop it to 1.78:1 or some other widescreen, without cropping the top/bottom?
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Old December 7 2009, 09:43 PM   #447
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But changing all the ships would screw up canon.


CANON!!!!!
I'm not sure if you are being serious or not
I'm not. I couldn't care less. I would want to see as many different ships as possible to replace to the stock footage of the Excelsior we saw most weeks.

But there are lots of people who would kick up a fuss. I felt duty bound to mock them.
I'd hope those people would be able to get over it, especially if they're released like the TOS Remastered was release (two versions with old and new effects).
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Old December 7 2009, 11:51 PM   #448
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I'd hope those people would be able to get over it, especially if they're released like the TOS Remastered was release (two versions with old and new effects).
It's quite as straightforward though, unless they just upres the current effects. The TOS ones were at least on film and just needed to be bunged onto the blu-ray.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:06 AM   #449
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Remember, TNG was filmed on 35mm and only edited on video. If they have the original films used, they can redo the whole episode, then add on the new effects.
I wasn't speaking to the quality of the film stock. Rather, I'm worried about the quality of the production design, make-up, etc., designed for the small screen, might not hold up under the tougher scrutiny of a theatrical presentation.

That said, it would be fun to see 'The Best of Both Worlds' or 'All Good Things' on the big screen.
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Old December 8 2009, 12:35 AM   #450
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I'd hope those people would be able to get over it, especially if they're released like the TOS Remastered was release (two versions with old and new effects).
It's quite as straightforward though, unless they just upres the current effects. The TOS ones were at least on film and just needed to be bunged onto the blu-ray.
Yeah, they should just upconvert the original effects, and then do new effects. This actually makes some sense since for those who don't want the new effects, they can either not buy them (and keep the old DVDs), or they can buy them and deal with an upconvert.
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