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Old December 5 2009, 11:46 PM   #91
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Re: The Battlestar Galacticafication of Stargate has began!

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I think my biggest beef is that the military people on the show do not act or interact in any way shape or form like military people.
Have they ever in a Stargate series? O'Neill made general, for crying out loud.
I remember when former Air Force Chief of Staff General Ryan was on the show, RDA asked him if he was doing an accurate job portraying an Air Force officer, to which General Ryan replied that the Air Force is filled with Colonels who act just like O'Neill.

Ryan's successor, General Jumper commented when O'Neill was promoted to general that Jack O'Neill represented everything that an Air Force General apsired to, or something like that. For that matter, I think Jumper even gave RDA a set of actual General's stars. All this is covered on the S8 DVDs.
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Old December 6 2009, 01:04 AM   #92
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It seems to be that an episode has to involve rushing around shooting things, or big explosions, for some people to think anything 'happened' in it.
You do realize that all of us, including the haters, are posting on a Star Trek forum, right? That we're all fans of quite possibly the slowest, talkiest, least action orientated sci-fi franchise ever made.
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Old December 6 2009, 01:08 AM   #93
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It seems to be that an episode has to involve rushing around shooting things, or big explosions, for some people to think anything 'happened' in it.
You do realize that all of us, including the haters, are posting on a Star Trek forum, right? That we're all fans of quite possibly the slowest, talkiest, least action orientated sci-fi franchise ever made.
I don't think that's true of Star Trek, there's always been plenty of action in the Star Trek series.
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Old December 6 2009, 04:21 AM   #94
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It seems to be that an episode has to involve rushing around shooting things, or big explosions, for some people to think anything 'happened' in it.
You do realize that all of us, including the haters, are posting on a Star Trek forum, right? That we're all fans of quite possibly the slowest, talkiest, least action orientated sci-fi franchise ever made.
I don't think that's true of Star Trek, there's always been plenty of action in the Star Trek series.
There is some action, but the majority of TNG and DS9 (and a fair chunk of TOS) involved sitting around a table discussing the sociological or political issue of the week. Besides, the best episodes have always involved next to no action such as "The Inner Light", "City on the Edge of Forever", and "In the Pale Moonlight". Even starting a war in Deep Space Nine didn't up the action quota much.

Calling it the least action packed sci-fi show ever was probably wrong, but I was simply trying to point out the flaw in criticizing the attention span of a bunch of Trekkies. I doubt there's a single Trekkie alive who watches Star Trek for the cool explosions and awesome fight scenes.
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Old December 6 2009, 04:32 AM   #95
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You do realize that all of us, including the haters, are posting on a Star Trek forum, right? That we're all fans of quite possibly the slowest, talkiest, least action orientated sci-fi franchise ever made.
I don't think that's true of Star Trek, there's always been plenty of action in the Star Trek series.
There is some action, but the majority of TNG and DS9 (and a fair chunk of TOS) involved sitting around a table discussing the sociological or political issue of the week. Besides, the best episodes have always involved next to no action such as "The Inner Light", "City on the Edge of Forever", and "In the Pale Moonlight". Even starting a war in Deep Space Nine didn't up the action quota much.

Calling it the least action packed sci-fi show ever was probably wrong, but I was simply trying to point out the flaw in criticizing the attention span of a bunch of Trekkies. I doubt there's a single Trekkie alive who watches Star Trek for the cool explosions and awesome fight scenes.
Well there's plenty of that on the Stargate shows too, but Stargate is somehow seen as being just popcorn entertainment and it seems like some people are having a hard time adjusting to Universe since it's a departure from the other two shows.
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Old December 6 2009, 11:17 PM   #96
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The campy nature is what the franchise was built on, and it is unlikely that the franchise can be successful without it.
The movie that started the franchise wasn't campy. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that.
It wasn't campy, but it was mediocre. I wouldn't have used that as a template for the series.

Early on, in the Showtime days, SG-1 didn't seem as campy and shallow as it got later on. In those years, it could have veered more strongly towards being a "serious" show by developing some of its concepts more fully rather than just touching on them and fleeing at anything that smacked of being sticky or controversial.

What if the Goa'uld hadn't been a bunch of comically stupid, shrieking drag queens, but rather someone had made an attempt to develop the notion that they were a "normal" and intelligent, if parasitic, species, which had been made insane by living too many lifetimes/too much sarcophagus use? (Nirrti was the right idea.) What if they had really tackled the tricky dynamics in the Tau'ri/Tok'ra/Jaffa alliance? So much wasted potential.

As for BSG, I hardly diefy it. Particularly after watching that crappy movie, The Plan. BSG is better the less they focus on the dumbass Cylons and their painfully dumbass, botched clusterfrak of a plan.

Stargate is a good premise, executed poorly. BSG is a poor premise, executed well.

SG-1, despite its shortcomings, was a pretty entertaining show given how "shallow" it was. SGA, on the other hand...
Shallow things can be quite entertaining, there's no contradiction there. I just prefer that entertaining things not be shallow like SG-1 increasingly got, over its run.
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Old December 6 2009, 11:59 PM   #97
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I think my biggest beef is that the military people on the show do not act or interact in any way shape or form like military people.
Have they ever in a Stargate series? O'Neill made general, for crying out loud.
I remember when former Air Force Chief of Staff General Ryan was on the show, RDA asked him if he was doing an accurate job portraying an Air Force officer, to which General Ryan replied that the Air Force is filled with Colonels who act just like O'Neill.
Maybe that's why they're stuck at colonel?
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Old December 7 2009, 12:22 AM   #98
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Have they ever in a Stargate series? O'Neill made general, for crying out loud.
I remember when former Air Force Chief of Staff General Ryan was on the show, RDA asked him if he was doing an accurate job portraying an Air Force officer, to which General Ryan replied that the Air Force is filled with Colonels who act just like O'Neill.
Maybe that's why they're stuck at colonel?
"Stuck" at Colonel? Colonel is a pretty high rank, the equivelant of a Navy Captain. Just having the rank is an achievement, anyone who holds it is hardly "stuck" anywhere.
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Old December 16 2009, 10:06 PM   #99
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I always remember thinking that the Lt.Col from the Bentwaters ufo incident was never going to make General.
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