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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 17 2009, 03:11 PM   #136
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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3. The viewscreen getting shot out. Surprisingly, that was something we'd never seen happen in all the previous space battles in Star Trek over the years.
Actually, we did see the viewscreen shot out in Voyager's Year of Hell. In fact, John Logan claims that was his inspiration for doing it in Nemesis.
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Old November 17 2009, 06:37 PM   #137
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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Being a P/C fan, I liked the little bit of interaction between the two in this movie, more so than the other three TNG films. There seemed to be more of that old connection between the two. I wish the cut scenes were in there too, like the goodbye and the wedding party conversation, but at least we got Bev sitting on his desk like she did in the series.

I also liked:

*The wedding.
*The end battle.
*The nature vs. nuture theme.
*Brent Spiner's acting when he as Data deactivates B-4.
*Data's funeral.
*The Ready Room scene where Picard tries to dissuade Shinzon from following through with his plan. This is something that harkened back to the series where he would try to use talk first before action. And yeah, this movie has a lot of action, so it was nice to see things slow down a bit there.
*Riker trying to remember the tune Data whistled.
*The goodbye between Riker and Picard.
*Picard walking and smiling down the corridor at the end.
Those 'family moments' are what makes it for me in any ST-especially Voyager, whose Family was forged by extreme circumstance, and shared isolation. I wouldn't mind seeing Bev and Jean-Luc become a couple myself.
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Old November 18 2009, 09:55 PM   #138
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Loved the battle scene between the Enterprise and the Scimitar. It evoked the battle between the Enterprise and the cloaked Bird of Prey in The Undiscovered Country. When the Enterprise was on full impulse to ram the Scimitar, I said to myself (like the Son'a from Insurrection said to Worf) "He wouldn't," and he did!

My eyes widened and jaw fell when the two ships impacted. I had never seen Star Trek do anything like that before. It was almost like Picard had said to himself, "That's it! No more of this bullshit!" *RAAAAAAAM*

I'll always remember that shot of the partially destroyed Enterprise and the Scimitar just sitting quietly in space after to the two vessels detached from each other. Someone in the theater whispered loudly, "Jesus..."
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Old November 19 2009, 05:38 PM   #139
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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even though i;m a huge fan nemises was complete bullshit
>sigh<

Yes, but what did you like about it?!?
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Old November 19 2009, 05:57 PM   #140
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even though i;m a huge fan nemises was complete bullshit
>sigh<

Yes, but what did you like about it?!?


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Old November 20 2009, 10:01 AM   #141
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

I've always liked Nemesis, and it has a wealth of great stuff in it (like the equally hated TFF).

Most of the stuff has already been listed, but the final space battle was truly awesome.
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Old November 20 2009, 11:59 AM   #142
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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even though i;m a huge fan nemises was complete bullshit
Not as bullshit as your spelling, punctuation, and inability to read a topic title.
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Old November 21 2009, 09:45 AM   #143
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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Riker hanging by one arm after kicking off the Viceroy = awesome
Agreed, although I think it needed something extra. It needed a cool action hero line in the vein of Kirk's "I... have HAD... enough of YOU!" IIRC, the original script had Riker say something like, "Don't worry. Hell is dark."

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I mention this because there's Shatner Kirk. He solved a film by getting into a face-to-face confrontation twice out of seven movies... and this is Man of Action Kirk. It just seems very odd to me that Picard is put into these situations by writers all four times he's on screen. Even Kirk and Khan were never truly face-to-face. Primarily, I blame the writers for maneuvering Picard into such routes, and they're just a few reasons why I don't like INS and NEM (it was particularly cartoony in NEM, in an 80s Stallone flick kind of way).

With the Borg Queen, sure I can believe that scenario as it was on the Enterprise itself. I can also forgive Soran (to a point) as it was the first TNG movie AND that Picard hadn't yet turned into some sort of dynamo yet (he really did fight like an old man! )
The reason why I would say the Generations stuff was still very much in character was because things only degenerated into a fistfight as a last resort. His intention was clearly "to dissuade me from my horrific plan."

I just rewatched Nemesis yesterday. One thing that still really impresses me is how well they've integrated Data & B-4 into the same scenes. The split-screen shots are seamless. Spiner's body double is perfect. And Spiner differentiates the characters so well that I keep forgetting that it's the same character playing both roles.
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Old November 21 2009, 11:04 PM   #144
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

There were 2 moments in Nemesis where I was able to stop thinking about how shit it was, and actually enjoy it for a few minutes.

1) Picard and Data's escape via shuttle.
2) Data deactivating B-4.

Which isn't to say I particularly liked either sequence... it rose to the level of "competent".
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Old November 22 2009, 12:29 AM   #145
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

The wedding.
Data's sing.
The scene with Picard stating "I'll be in the gym!", pulls in his stomach, walks out.
The explosive decompression on the bridge, the helms-woman being blown out and killed.
Deanna's expression when she realizes Data is dead.
The last shot with Picard and the new first officer, the bands breaking up and life goes on, very real.

Wasn't the dune buggy fight with the natives a prime directive violation? Worf guns down more than a few.

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Old November 22 2009, 08:14 AM   #146
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

What did I love about Nemesis?

-The 'Marco, Polo' scene where Deanna finds the Scimitar using her empathic powers, and gets the Enterprise to blast the Scimitar- a great way to avenge Shinzon taking away her wedding 'virtue'.

-The little Romulan space fighter-if they ever make a real Star Trek space fighter combat game (like Tom Clancy's HAWX or the original Wing Commander), that fighter should be one of the ones you use later on in the game (captured as a spoil of war!)

-The shuttle used to get to the planet where B-4 was.

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Old November 22 2009, 01:06 PM   #147
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

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I mean, there are things in this movie that drive me up the wall, but there are moments where the movie really shines.

* I love the Riker/Troi wedding party. Even when I first saw the movie I said to myself "It's about time!".

* Tom Hardy as Shinzon - You know, I don't think the guy gets enough credit. Sure his motivation was a bit, well, confusing, but I think he played the part very well.

* The special effects in this movie were extremely well done. To me, it's one of the best things about the movie.

* Commander Donatra. ..okay, well I have this thing for Romulan women. :P

* The opening sequence. I loved the feel of the opening sequence. To me it's the best opening sequence since Star Trek VI (but not as good as TFF's).

So, what did you like about the movie (and I will say this right now, please, no "the credits rolling" or anything similar as answers).

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The wedding was ok.
Commander Donatra was the standout for me. Excellent performance.
Some of the bridge displays were good (eg the shield indicators weren't ludicrous like in TWOK) - it seemed as if someone actually paid attention to that kind of thing for once.

The movie wasn't a complete steaming pile. It did have moments.
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Old December 4 2009, 02:54 PM   #148
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Re: What did you like about Nemesis?

I would have had Shinzon played by Patrick Stewart and had him the same age as Picard.
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Old December 4 2009, 04:11 PM   #149
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I would have had Shinzon played by Patrick Stewart and had him the same age as Picard.
A lot of people say that, but I just can't imagine it being anything other than dismal. But then. I like Tom Hardy in the role.
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Old December 5 2009, 01:13 AM   #150
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I would have had Shinzon played by Patrick Stewart and had him the same age as Picard.
A lot of people say that, but I just can't imagine it being anything other than dismal. But then. I like Tom Hardy in the role.
Why can Brent Spiner have two roles as good guy and bad guy in the series, but with Stewart it would suddenly be dismal?
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