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Old November 21 2009, 08:52 PM   #16
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

It would have been nice for this dialogue to have been included on the DVDs and BluRay discs, but oh well. A lot like the ommitted dialogue between Luke and Spirit Obi-Wan in RETURN OF THE JEDI where Ben tells Luke how and why he and his sister Leia were hidden from their father and the Emperor and he mentions Bail Organa and others we don't meet until the prequels years later. More exposition than anything else and just takes up time.
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Old November 22 2009, 01:33 AM   #17
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Fooey. Amazing that minutes after Vulcan is destroyed, a few cadets landing in positions they are qualified for on a starship is "the timeline healing itself".
That and the original crew didn't even come together "in a time of ultimate crisis". They came together in regular duty, and THEN they had some adventures, and only one of them involved a planet killing machine. Doesn't fit Spock's character to glorify his own past.
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Old November 22 2009, 01:50 AM   #18
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

It could be used later in attempt to correct the time line and get rid of the alternate reality. It actually makes a nice change not to have screwed up time line corrected where you have everyone going to where it all started as if nothing ever happend.
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Old November 22 2009, 03:17 AM   #19
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

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It could be used later in attempt to correct the time line and get rid of the alternate reality.
That is not possible. The Abramsverse exists; it can't be wiped out.

Even if we go back in time and prevent the destruction of the Kelvin, the new timeline will not be erased. A *third* timeline will be created which strongly resembles the original. But the second, created in ST XI, will remain.
Just like how ST XI did not erase the original Trek timeline. This one can't be erased either.
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Old November 22 2009, 03:18 AM   #20
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I've never been a fan of this destiny business in the film. I'm happy the line was omitted.
Neither am I, but it would have been preferable to the old band of the TOS crew showing up on the Enterprise by a series of incredibly staggering coincidences. Suggesting that's the timeline working mysteriously to heal parts of itself would at least be acknowledging the nature of the coincidences in an effort, however half-hearted, to explain them.

Oh well. When I first watched the film I got no impression there were two timelines anyway, to be honest - it's worded carefully so that interpretation might be drawn from it (as O&K insist) or it could just be seen as time being rewritten again.
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Old November 22 2009, 03:25 AM   #21
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

I really wish a line about this has been included, because it would have gone a long way in explaining some of the staggering plot holes.

Still love the movie, though.
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Old November 22 2009, 03:39 AM   #22
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

While watching the film for the first time in the theater, I mentally inserted a Spock-ian explanation ala City on the Edge for the 'currents and eddies' of time bringing Kirk and him together.

Never been a problem for me... although the 'destiny' lines do tip toward SW a bit too much (something i also felt on first viewing)
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Old November 22 2009, 05:29 AM   #23
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

The heroes of the show have wound up together in every alternate universe story this franchise has done.
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Old November 22 2009, 05:33 AM   #24
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They came together in regular duty, and THEN they had some adventures, and only one of them involved a planet killing machine.
Actually, I can think of four off the top of my head.
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Old November 22 2009, 05:36 AM   #25
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They came together in regular duty, and THEN they had some adventures, and only one of them involved a planet killing machine.
Actually, I can think of four off the top of my head.
And that number increases if you include planet killing lifeforms.
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Old November 22 2009, 01:32 PM   #26
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If the timeline can heal it's self, will Vulcan go back together?
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Old November 22 2009, 02:16 PM   #27
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

Yeah, it does go a long way to explain some of the plot holes. But to be honest, it didnt effect me, cos i had my own way of explaining certain events that were not explained in the movie.

But for the general audinece, i doubt they really cared, aslong as they got the jist of it, that was enough i suppose, without it being clogged up with temporal babble etc.


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If the timeline can heal it's self, will Vulcan go back together?

And the headaches start.
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Old November 25 2009, 04:53 AM   #28
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Re: Deleted scene where Spock explains how the timeline "healed itself

Oddly enough, before the new film was even dreamed of, i used to wonder how the mirror universe (presumably being an alternate timeline itself) was so frequently similar to the prime universe (crew members ending up on the same ship repeatedly, for example). I had always theorized some kind of temporal force or echo (call it destiny if it pleases you) bringing events into alignment so that things, while different, are also sort of the same. Seems to apply here also.
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Old November 25 2009, 06:46 AM   #29
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Neither am I, but it would have been preferable to the old band of the TOS crew showing up on the Enterprise by a series of incredibly staggering coincidences.
They're only coincidences if you view these folks through the lens of TOS. Otherwise, it's simply happenstance that this group comes together.
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Old November 25 2009, 06:57 AM   #30
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If the timeline can heal it's self, will Vulcan go back together?
Nope, but there is a scar.
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