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Old November 13 2009, 11:42 PM   #31
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

I believe the TBA reference is from page 336, which recounts the events of "Time's Arrow," and then says, "Eventually the anthropologists had returned for her, and she had begun the long migration home, sobered by her brush with death." So it seems to me that, if someone really wanted to reconcile TBA and EW, they could just reason "eventually" was a hundred years later... a blink of the eye for an El-Aurian.

... or, what Spike said.

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Old November 13 2009, 11:46 PM   #32
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^Haha, amazing the difference a minute can make.
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Old November 14 2009, 01:42 AM   #33
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

Well, that's not really what I had in mind, and I'm not sure it's completely consistent with the subsequent paragraphs, but it's a clever fix.
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Old November 14 2009, 07:54 PM   #34
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

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From Memory Alpha:
Guinan was slated to appear in an episode planned for the unproduced fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise entitled "The Treatment". Under the assumed name "Claranna", she would have been acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. More of her background would have been revealed, including what she was doing there since the time of Mark Twain.

Any chance this could be worked into any future ENT novels? I think it'd be great!
Except it would contradict my Guinan backstory from The Buried Age, which asserted that she hadn't been to Earth between the 1890s and the 2290s.
Can't we just ignore that in favor of a good story with Guinan in ENT novels?
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Old November 14 2009, 08:17 PM   #35
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

^See the posts above.
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Old November 14 2009, 08:33 PM   #36
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It will only be an issue if and when the Enterprise books decide to include Guinan, which so far there's no indication of. Until then, there's no real point in worrying about it.
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Old November 14 2009, 11:56 PM   #37
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

JarodRussell -

In my opinion, yes, we can just ignore that in favor of a good story with Guinan in Enterprise novels, because continuity is a fairly moot point when you consider how many Star Trek novels contradict other novels already, even other episodes.
The Star Trek timeline isn't perfect, or error-free. It's very much like Batman continuity (or that of any other major franchise) - if you're not happy with all the contradictions, then only buy the books that you want to make up your own continuity.
Or, like me, buy all the books, read all the books, and just accept that they can't all be right.
If two books written many years apart can contradict each other and still be published, then it won't make much difference for two books written just a few years apart to contradict each other. Sure, it's not perfect, but it ain't gonna be.

At the end of the day, they're not canon anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
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Old November 15 2009, 12:12 AM   #38
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

My Guinan backstory in TBA was a minor enough part of the book that it could easily enough be ignored for the sake of a new story. And others above have offered a way to reconcile its existing contradiction with The Eugenics Wars. So I guess it's not that huge a deal.
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Old November 15 2009, 12:49 AM   #39
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

mattburgess wrote: View Post
buy all the books, read all the books, and just accept that they can't all be right.
My personal take, when contradictions can't be easily reconciled: the ST novels, short stories, comics and RPG manuals are works of faction, (fiction based on fact) and derived from actual ships' logs, but sometimes the authors take artistic license to "improve" the story or fill in unknown gaps - exactly how many 20th and 21st century authors do historical fiction.
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Old November 15 2009, 05:57 AM   #40
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My Guinan backstory in TBA was a minor enough part of the book that it could easily enough be ignored for the sake of a new story. And others above have offered a way to reconcile its existing contradiction with The Eugenics Wars. So I guess it's not that huge a deal.
Of course, let's not forget that we're talking about Guinan. She's always been mysterious. If she pops up someplace that doesn't jive even with her own account of her adventures, is anyone really going to be that surprised?
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Old November 15 2009, 06:49 AM   #41
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21Spike65 wrote: View Post
Until then, there's no real point in worrying about it.
You really don't hang out here very much do you.
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Old November 15 2009, 09:43 PM   #42
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^Check here every day. Hey, it was worth a shot.
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Old November 16 2009, 07:36 PM   #43
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Also, it's amazing how many REAL historical textbooks disagree with each other.
Facts cannot be sustained over long periods of time.
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Old November 18 2009, 06:00 AM   #44
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

Christopher wrote: View Post
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From Memory Alpha:
Guinan was slated to appear in an episode planned for the unproduced fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise entitled "The Treatment". Under the assumed name "Claranna", she would have been acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. More of her background would have been revealed, including what she was doing there since the time of Mark Twain.

Any chance this could be worked into any future ENT novels? I think it'd be great!
Except it would contradict my Guinan backstory from The Buried Age, which asserted that she hadn't been to Earth between the 1890s and the 2290s.
Awww damn it!
This is why I sometimes I have problems with Book continuity.
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Old December 5 2009, 11:48 PM   #45
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William Leisner wrote: View Post
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From Memory Alpha:
Guinan was slated to appear in an episode planned for the unproduced fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise entitled "The Treatment". Under the assumed name "Claranna", she would have been acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. More of her background would have been revealed, including what she was doing there since the time of Mark Twain.
Interesting, though I'd be curious to know what MA's source is for this info.

And needless to say, Guinan wouldn't need to be on Earth to play part in an ENT story...
I thinik Mike Sussman posted it (dear god,I hope i spelt his name right).
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