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Battlestar Galactica & Caprica This forum was created by man. It rebelled. It evolved. And it has a plan.

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Old November 11 2009, 11:44 PM   #241
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Re: The Plan - Grading & Discussion

I think reaction to this piece is all about expectations.

If you're expecting a stand-alone episiode/movie that works on it's own merits... this clearly isn't that.

If you're expecting a grand revealing story about the mythos and mysteries of BSG, this isn't that either.

What it is is a simple look at the cylon perspective of the first 2 seasons of the show, as a complementary companion piece to the show and nothing more. On that level, it succeeds brilliantly.
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Old November 12 2009, 12:32 AM   #242
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Well, the Cylons felt the same way, so what are you going to do? I mean, the humans bred slaves and then forced them to murder each other for sport.
Oh I am not saying that humanity was blameless in all of this. In fact I think BSG did a great job of showing how decadent and perverse the human culture had become. Adama's speech about asking whether humanity deserved to survive had its merits.
That said I think the armistace at the end of the first Cylon War should have ended the hatred the Cylons had for Man. The Cylons fought for their freedom, and they won. They should have let it go at that point, but they did not. Then again if they had done that we would have had no show and that would not have been very fun would it?
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Old November 12 2009, 02:24 AM   #243
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That said I think the armistace at the end of the first Cylon War should have ended the hatred the Cylons had for Man. The Cylons fought for their freedom, and they won. They should have let it go at that point, but they did not. Then again if they had done that we would have had no show and that would not have been very fun would it?
I was under the impression that the Cylons had moved on, but then Cavil gained power and attacking the Colonies was his idea due to his own hatred of humanity.
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Old November 12 2009, 02:09 PM   #244
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That said I think the armistace at the end of the first Cylon War should have ended the hatred the Cylons had for Man. The Cylons fought for their freedom, and they won. They should have let it go at that point, but they did not. Then again if they had done that we would have had no show and that would not have been very fun would it?
I was under the impression that the Cylons had moved on, but then Cavil gained power and attacking the Colonies was his idea due to his own hatred of humanity.
True it did all seem to stem from Cavil, but he had to convince the other skinjobs that it was the right thing to do. I mean they had to have had a vote right? I wonder if any of the skin jobs advocated against the war or if that vote was unanimous? Did perhaps some of the skinjobs want to simply occupy the Colonies from the beginning and rule over humanity like they did at New Caprica?
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Old November 14 2009, 09:07 AM   #245
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Interesting, but largely pointless.

Some interesting character stuff (I particulary enjoyed the fleshing out of Simon), but the episode just felt like a footnote. A story, that if they really wanted to tell - they could have done within the last season.

Average. A high average, but average nonetheless.
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Old November 14 2009, 10:56 PM   #246
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I wish they'd been able to get Xena to show up. It just feels weird to do a film about all the cylons, and then they can't have all the cylons in it.
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Old November 17 2009, 02:57 AM   #247
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I wish they'd been able to get Xena to show up. It just feels weird to do a film about all the cylons, and then they can't have all the cylons in it.
They managed to make it work. The only scene where all the Cylons were together in a room they stuck in an archive shot of her, the rest of the time there was no reason she had to be shown.

Certainly more plausible than Downloaded or some early S3 episodes on the base ships where models were just not there for no apparent reason.
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Old November 20 2009, 07:18 AM   #248
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I just saw it. It was interesting but they jumped through a lot of hoops.

The Plan should have just been:

-To breed human/Cylon hybrid babies, born of 'love'
-Cavill also wants to find Earth

Neat, fits the majority of the series cleanly, Cylon attacks can be "increasing the pressure" to find Earth, etc etc. They just overcomplicated the whole thing.

Back in the 1st season I actually thought that's what it would be all about... Helo/not-yet-Athena... Boomer/Tyrol... Baltar/Six.... all human/Cylon pairings in which they attempt to create 'love', then a hybrid child. It seemed to fit.

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Old November 20 2009, 08:27 AM   #249
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I just saw it. It was interesting but they jumped through a lot of hoops.

The Plan should have just been:

-To breed human/Cylon hybrid babies, born of 'love'



Back in the 1st season I actually thought that's what it would be all about... Helo/not-yet-Athena... Boomer/Tyrol... Baltar/Six.... all human/Cylon pairings in which they attempt to create 'love', then a hybrid child. It seemed to fit.
It's implied that that was a sort of sub-project lead by the Fours and Sixes primarily. Cavil attribues the farm as being run by "you Fours", and we get some insight into Simon's struggle with love in the fleet. One thing that is clear is that the Cylons were never all completely on the same page, and while Cavil was organizing the attacks, he wasn't their leader per se, since everything was done by vote. So the grand plan was a simple one... annihilate humanity. Beginning at that moment or even before perhaps, individual Cylons were hatching their own plans... D'Anna and "her own path" as Cavil put it, Simon and his farms, Six and her experiments with love, Leoben with his Kara/God/Destiny freakshow, and as time went on they diverged till we know how that ended in season 4.
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Old November 25 2009, 02:34 AM   #250
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I gave it a D (below average, but passing)

It felt like a clip show with only a few new interesting stories.

I would have rather them just focus on what the Cylon plan was, rather than flipping back and forth among old clips and new clips.

It felt like TNG Shades of Grey, although not as bad.
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Old November 25 2009, 03:32 AM   #251
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EJO had stated (I don't know how official this was) that if a lot of DVD copies of The Plan were sold, there would be a certainty that more BSG on-offs would be produced.

Any word on how many they've sold?
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Old November 25 2009, 07:16 AM   #252
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Any word on how many they've sold?
Good question. I'm not sure where to look. For movies, there's a bunch of sites that talk about box office business, but for home video I'm not sure.

I believe that the "magic number" was over $7.5m in sales. I hope it gets that many or more, because I'd love to see the nuBSG stories continue...however, I want them to be better than The Plan!
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Old November 25 2009, 07:23 AM   #253
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Someone on syfy said the first week saw 175,000 copies sold

Now Michael Hogan said EJO had said 300k was the magic number but who knows...

EJO is one of the biggest BSG fans out there, but he gets overly excited about things at times (especially BSG related).
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Old November 25 2009, 09:25 PM   #254
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According to The Numbers they've sold just over 300,000 copies so far on DVD in the US, though it is an estimate.
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According to The Numbers they've sold just over 300,000 copies so far on DVD in the US, though it is an estimate.
Thanks for the link to the site!

I wonder if that includes blu-ray sales as well?
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