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Old November 11 2009, 10:30 PM   #16
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

Is it really needed to have Guinan interact with the crew of the NX-01? What about meeting Kirk's crew before 2290, even if not near the Solar System?
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Old November 11 2009, 10:37 PM   #17
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

How does such a seemingly benign thread topic turn so nasty?

Everyone could be a little nicer, sure, but the only post here I see as needing comment on is this:

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^Ouch. That's kind of prick-ish .
That's OmahaStar for you. That's why I like the "ignore" feature so much.
The "That's OmahaStar for you." part was not necessary to convey the suggestion that Paris place him on ignore.

Keep things about the post(s) and not the poster(s) please, thanks.
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Old November 12 2009, 12:51 AM   #18
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

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Keep things about the post(s) and not the poster(s) please, thanks.
But it's so much fun to insult one of the regulars here who's a pro novelist and a longtime fan!

... Oh, that's not what you're talking about. Never mind.
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Old November 12 2009, 02:02 AM   #19
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

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The novels are free to contradict one another, or have you forgotten that?
Yes, they theoretically are, but these days they generally don't.

As for Guinan: I haven't read The Buried Age, but exactly *how* do we know that Guinan hadn't been to Earth in all that time? Just because she said so?
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Old November 12 2009, 06:01 PM   #20
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

Steve Roby wrote: View Post
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Keep things about the post(s) and not the poster(s) please, thanks.
But it's so much fun to insult one of the regulars here who's a pro novelist and a longtime fan!

... Oh, that's not what you're talking about. Never mind.
What a good point, Steve. Thank you!
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Old November 13 2009, 05:59 AM   #21
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

I agree with the idea she wouldn't need to be on Earth to interact with the Enterprise crew, so that wouldn't contradict with Christopher's novel.
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Old November 13 2009, 03:56 PM   #22
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

^ Since Christopher's novel itself apparently conflicts with The Eugenics Wars, it's probably not worth worrying about, anyway.
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Old November 13 2009, 04:36 PM   #23
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

I don't know about that...Federation is flatly contradicted by First Contact, but Federation is still a great read and First Contact is still a fun movie, so there's no reason not to enjoy both. Same with The Buried Age and The Eugenics Wars.
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Old November 13 2009, 04:49 PM   #24
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

^Well, of course, but quality and continuity are two different matters. If I'd remembered about the Guinan reference in The Eugenics Wars, I would've acknowledged it in TBA.
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Old November 13 2009, 07:29 PM   #25
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All right, someone has to remind me of Guinan's role in the EW books...
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Old November 13 2009, 07:31 PM   #26
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All right, someone has to remind me of Guinan's role in the EW books...
I think it was minor; something about her giving Seven the location of the Antarctic Ozone What-Have-You base?
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Old November 13 2009, 09:13 PM   #27
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Then it's a good thing that the episode was never made. Her role in The Buried Age was exactly what I was talking about. It wasn't a huge role, but she was really important. Making sure Picard went back to Starfleet was not only important for her (he needed to save her life down the line after all), but for Starfleet in general. Picard is the kind of captain that only comes along once a generation .
Well, if they'd made the episode, Christopher probably wouldn't have written that part of TBA the same way, depending on his writing schedule vs. the theoretical air date of the episode.
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Old November 13 2009, 10:20 PM   #28
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Re: Guinan in ENT novels?

Christopher, can you make a minor edit ot make it consistant with The Eugenics Wars, in for future printings?
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Old November 13 2009, 11:19 PM   #29
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All right, someone has to remind me of Guinan's role in the EW books...
Guinan assisted Gary Seven in preventing a nerve gas attack in the Chunnel. Seven stopped an attack in England, while Guinan prevented a similar attack in France. Her appearance is in Chapter 19, on page 225 of the Hardcover.

Christopher, do you happen to know where in The Buried Age you made the reference to how long it had been since Guinan was on Earth?
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Old November 13 2009, 11:41 PM   #30
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^I think I just found it, on page 336 and the preceding pages (I love Amazon's Look Inside feature!). All it says is that after the events of Time's Arrow, the anthropologists "eventually" returned for Guinan and she began "the long migration back home," upon which it goes into talk of "centuries" and unspecified time frames. One could argue that, in a race as long lived as the El-Aurians, "eventually" could have been a century later, and it doesn't conflict Eugenics Wars as much as we would think.
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