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Old November 9 2009, 01:36 PM   #31
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Re: The Captain is never my favorite

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DS9: It's ironic, that despite the shows' conscious attempt to do things different than its predecessors, I still wound up liking the shows' big three - Odo, Kira and Sisko - the most.
I wasn't aware that DS9 had a big 3, certainly not in the same way that you had Kirk/Spock/McCoy on The Original Series or Archer/T'Pol/Trip on Enterprise.

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I agree. He doesn't really have the charisma and presence required.

Who would you have cast as Archer?
Well, I'm truly not sure about that--I would love to see suggestions.
I think it would be interesting to see what would have happened if Scott Bakula & Connor Trineer had switched roles.

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There are more other characters than captains, so it's normal that the captain might never be your favorite.
Perhaps. Although, considering they tend to get more screentime than the others, you'd think that they would at least rank higher on my list. Captain Kirk is the only one that even broaches the top 3.

On a good day, Captain Picard would be 4th on the list, behind Commander Riker, Data, & Worf. On bad days, he sinks to 7th, behind Geordi LaForge, Beverly Crusher, & Guinan.

Captain Sisko was a great character. But DS9 was so flush with great characters, Captain Sisko finds himself in 2nd to last place. (The perplexing main character status of Jake Sisko is the only thing that keeps Ben out of the cellar.)

Most days, the only good thing I can say about Janeway is, "Well, at least she's not as useless as Neelix."

Captain Archer never gets any higher than 5th place for me, and that's only because Travis Mayweather never got any screentime and I can't stand T'Pol. (She was too cranky to be a good Vulcan and not nearly as sexy as the marketing people seemed to think she was. Give me Hoshi any day.)
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Old November 9 2009, 02:10 PM   #32
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Re: The Captain is never my favorite

I never thought about it but I have to agree.

TOS: 1. Spock, 2. Kirk
TNG: 1. LaForge, 2. Data, 3 ... 8. Picard
DS9: 1. Odo, 2. Quark, 3 ... 5. Sisko
Voy: 1. Doctor, 2. Janeway (The closest captain to number 1.)
Ent: 1. Trip, 2. Phlox, 3. T'Pol, 4. Reed, 5. Sato, 6. Archer
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Old November 12 2009, 02:29 AM   #33
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Re: The Captain is never my favorite

I wouldn't say that the captain is my favorite, but I think most of us can agree that we do show them the most respect because they are the captain.

My favorites have never been the captains: Uhura (TOS), Geordi (TNG) and Reed (ENT).

However, I can't deny that both Kirk and Picard (and Riker too) were major hotties.
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Old November 13 2009, 08:48 AM   #34
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TOS: Spock or McCoy--Kirn was an arrogant womanizer in my opinion. This goes for both version of Kirk.
can't recall him womanizing in a single episode. wanna blame him for being charming? it's the females who threw themselves at him, some of them were quite deranged. very realistic.
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Old November 13 2009, 08:54 AM   #35
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TOS: Yeah Kirk is my favorite, though Spock is often very close. Admittedly, some of this the typical guy thing of "this guy gets all the women, carries himself with poise, is smart AND has a swagger about him?! Can I have what he's drinking?"
You see, that's the difference between the male and female response to the character of Jim Kirk. See the scene between Jadzia and Sisko in Trials and Tribble-ations, that said it all. Men are usually like: "Ooh, he gets all the women, he is a god, I want to be like him!" and most of the women are like: "Kirk? Who? Ah, the guy with Spock?... oooh, Spock "
Yeah, I can see how that might be...though I imagine a LOT more women than you imagine might melt under the inexorable swagger of the Kirk....heck, I might lose myself for a moment lol.
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Old November 13 2009, 09:07 AM   #36
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DS9: It's ironic, that despite the shows' conscious attempt to do things different than its predecessors, I still wound up liking the shows' big three - Odo, Kira and Sisko - the most.
I wasn't aware that DS9 had a big 3, certainly not in the same way that you had Kirk/Spock/McCoy on The Original Series or Archer/T'Pol/Trip on Enterprise.
You're correct in saying that DS9 did not have a Big Three in precisely the way that TOS or ENT (or even , but it's incorrect to say they didn't have a Big Three. DS9's characters arcs were partly written as parallels to what went on with specific worlds within the show - Earth, Bajor, Cardassia, The Klingon Homeworld as well as The Federation and The Dominion - as well as overall themes the show chose to explore. No three characters experienced as much in that respect, and affected as much, as Sisko (connected to The Prophets/Bajor, Geopolitical twists and turns, Fed policy, Family issues, etc) Kira 9Bajor/Cardassia, exploration of faith,resentments and enmity, how one overcomes that, etc), and Odo (the primary "other" character, underwent the most self-revealing and learning, explored how "justice" is served, xenophobia, connected to Dominion, etc.).

To be honest, as much I love DS9, I find that this idea that DS9 had no real central characters (as if ensemble cast meant every character were of equal importance, or equally affected the series), and that there was no Big Three, more of a provisional truth that is exaggerated by fans to emphasize how different DS9 was/is than other Treks.
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Old November 13 2009, 01:13 PM   #37
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Re: The Captain is never my favorite

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DS9: It's ironic, that despite the shows' conscious attempt to do things different than its predecessors, I still wound up liking the shows' big three - Odo, Kira and Sisko - the most.
I wasn't aware that DS9 had a big 3, certainly not in the same way that you had Kirk/Spock/McCoy on The Original Series or Archer/T'Pol/Trip on Enterprise.
You're correct in saying that DS9 did not have a Big Three in precisely the way that TOS or ENT (or even , but it's incorrect to say they didn't have a Big Three. DS9's characters arcs were partly written as parallels to what went on with specific worlds within the show - Earth, Bajor, Cardassia, The Klingon Homeworld as well as The Federation and The Dominion - as well as overall themes the show chose to explore. No three characters experienced as much in that respect, and affected as much, as Sisko (connected to The Prophets/Bajor, Geopolitical twists and turns, Fed policy, Family issues, etc) Kira 9Bajor/Cardassia, exploration of faith,resentments and enmity, how one overcomes that, etc), and Odo (the primary "other" character, underwent the most self-revealing and learning, explored how "justice" is served, xenophobia, connected to Dominion, etc.).

To be honest, as much I love DS9, I find that this idea that DS9 had no real central characters (as if ensemble cast meant every character were of equal importance, or equally affected the series), and that there was no Big Three, more of a provisional truth that is exaggerated by fans to emphasize how different DS9 was/is than other Treks.
Well, DS9 was an ensamble show - although, technically that is true of any Trek except TOS, where Shatner, Nimoy and later Kelley were the only ones given "starring" billing, and where every other character was given very little screentime and development. But I agree that not all characters on DS9 were "equal" in importance: if I were to name the leads in DS9, I'd name those three as well - Sisko, Kira, Odo - as they were the most connected to the show's themes and storylines and therefore got to be central to the proceedings and carry the storylines much more often than O'Brien, Jadzia or Bashir. I think that by emphasizing the "ensamble show" aspect of DS9, people are really saying that supporting characters on the show - including those with recurring guest star billing - got more development and depth than some of the supporting characters (including those that were billed as regulars, members of the main cast) got in other shows.
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Old November 14 2009, 08:09 PM   #38
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Worf! He's always getting the short end of the stick, and someone is always getting one over on him, you got to feel sorry for a guy movitated by honor always getting screwed. He didn't really come into his own intill he was reassigned to DS9.
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