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Old October 31 2009, 02:28 AM   #61
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Re: The Battlestar Galacticafication of Stargate has began!

I don't know I find it interesting so far. People bitched about Stargate getting limp lately and they did something different. I think it might do better if it wasn't branded as "Stargate" because it isn't really trying to be affable which the franchise is known for.
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Old October 31 2009, 12:43 PM   #62
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I don't know I find it interesting so far. People bitched about Stargate getting limp lately and they did something different. I think it might do better if it wasn't branded as "Stargate" because it isn't really trying to be affable which the franchise is known for.
I personally prefer it to what became of Stargate in the last few years but it's not quite living up to what it could be. Partly due to the writing still feeling slightly stale like they're not sure of the format themselves, so aren't actually going head first in to it, while at the same time being heavy handed with the "look it's different".
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Old October 31 2009, 07:09 PM   #63
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Re: The Battlestar Galacticafication of Stargate has began!

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SG:U is Too dark; Too depressing; Too gritty; Too sexual; Too serious; Too repetitive; Too tense; Too contrived; Too predictable; Badly cast; and Badly written (seriously, you're on a ship that doesn't work but you have 5 Ancient stones...how's about you use them to connect with 5 brilliant scientists that can fix the G-Damn ship instead of a sulking Lou Diamond Phillips in his most depressing role ever?)

I for one liked SG:1 and SG:A because they offered a campy escape from my dark, depressing, repetitive life that I could watch with my children without explaining what young adults might do when faced with mortality.

This show makes me wanna start cutting like the young kids do these days.

I couldn't stomach so much as the commercials for NuBSG, and if this show continues it's present path my DVR will find something else to record.


The only bright spot in the entire show was killing off Christopher McDonald. I think he should guest star on a different TV series every week and be killed off at the end of the episode. It could be a network "meme".


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Old November 1 2009, 07:19 PM   #64
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SG:U is Too dark; Too depressing; Too gritty; Too sexual; Too serious; Too repetitive; Too tense; Too contrived; Too predictable; Badly cast; and Badly written (seriously, you're on a ship that doesn't work but you have 5 Ancient stones...how's about you use them to connect with 5 brilliant scientists that can fix the G-Damn ship instead of a sulking Lou Diamond Phillips in his most depressing role ever?)

I for one liked SG:1 and SG:A because they offered a campy escape from my dark, depressing, repetitive life that I could watch with my children without explaining what young adults might do when faced with mortality.

This show makes me wanna start cutting like the young kids do these days.

I couldn't stomach so much as the commercials for NuBSG, and if this show continues it's present path my DVR will find something else to record.


The only bright spot in the entire show was killing off Christopher McDonald. I think he should guest star on a different TV series every week and be killed off at the end of the episode. It could be a network "meme".


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I think the main reason for people like you and I disagreeing on SGU (and nuBSG, for that matter) is exactly what you've said here: everything you liked about SG-1 and SGA as they were was everything I wished they'd dispense with. The camp, the child friendly scrubbed clean characters, the bwha-ha-ha villains.
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Old November 4 2009, 03:01 PM   #65
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Re: The Battlestar Galacticafication of Stargate has began!

Let me see, a friggin scifi show, where they actually meet alien things and stop on alien planets every few episodes
CHECK

No Ayatollahs, No elections, No abortions, No 911 are we worthy of survival crap
CHECK, CHECK, CHECK

A decent fx budet instead of watching that raptor landing footage replayed over and over again
CHECK

SGU People having sex and relationships without any weird implication
CHECK
in boringstar galactica
the Doc screws a sexbot and sells out the defense codes of humanity to a bunch of genocidal robots just to screw a hot blonde
Kara stardrunk Thrace sleeps with her half brother aka JarJar Adama. Then she screws baltar, and she screws Blanders who turns out to be a cylon and she screws just about anybody else in the fleet.

No Rocky-in-Space episodes
CHECK

No time jumps, no one year later, no 6 month jumps on New Caprica, no flashbacks and flash forwards with matlock in space
CHECK

SGU has a likable cast, well written
instead of a bunch of depressing humorless, back stabbing, manic depressive battlestar b*astards
CHECK

A military with backbone instead of a bunch of moaning girly men
CHECK

No political BS or soap opera nonsense shoved down your throat every
No lynching
No lesbo dictator massacring unarmed civilians
No Rapes
No crackheads, No alcoholics
No Guantanamo, no political crap smashed into your face every 30 mins
CHECK

SGU a good looking cast, a young looking cast, marketed at both young and old audiences
CHECK
Battlestar had mostly a cast of ugly people, not Obese, not Skiny, not Fat..just Plain Ugly.
You have one or two good looking people on BSG but the rest were as ugly as a bull terrier after a few rounds of illegal dog fighting
Take EJO for example, they would film these close ups of his face that would remind everyone of the Apollo-11 landings also BSG post season 1 was primarily aimed middle aged women

SGU good ratings
BSG ratings sucked



Indeed
They have some similarities but IMO they are two totally differnet shows
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Old November 4 2009, 03:18 PM   #66
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in boringstar galactica
the Doc screws a sexbot and sells out the defense codes of humanity to a bunch of genocidal robots just to screw a hot blonde
Kara stardrunk Thrace sleeps with her half brother aka JarJar Adama. Then she screws baltar, and she screws Blanders who turns out to be a cylon and she screws just about anybody else in the fleet.
I think I've deciphered your hi-larious code-names, but since when is Adama Kara's 'half brother'? He would have been her brother-in-law if she'd married Zack, but she didn't. They're no relation at all.
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Old November 4 2009, 04:57 PM   #67
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I think he means "half-brother" in the sense that Bill Adama always thougt of Starbuck as a daughter, therefore Lee Adama could be a half-brother in that respect.

And I got to say, TheMasterOfOrion, for someone who doesn't like BSG, your knowledge of it, its storylines, and how things developed is impressive.
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Old November 4 2009, 04:59 PM   #68
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Everyone called him JarJar Adama

and as for Starbuck, she had all kinds of names to describe her
Stardrunk
Kara starslut Thrace
Starb*tch
Culkin (I guess she looked like the guy from HomeAlone)
and last but not least
"Starfrak"
Starfrak
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And I got to say, TheMasterOfOrion, for someone who doesn't like BSG, your knowledge of it, its storylines, and how things developed is impressive.
Watched 3 seasons with dedication, the first season was ok but as a whole it was the greatest waste of time I ever did...even worse than wasting your life on video games

I would rather have read 2 dozen of those trashy political thriller novels you buy in the supermarket


Anyhow getting back to the topic, no I think SGU is not BSG

while it does have similarities to Voyager or Nu BSG or Firefly it is also a very different show
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Old November 4 2009, 05:29 PM   #69
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Watched 3 seasons with dedication, the first season was ok but as a whole it was the greatest waste of time I ever did...even worse than wasting your life on video games

I would rather have read 2 dozen of those trashy political thriller novels you buy in the supermarket.
I just don't have that dedication. If I don't like something I just don't watch any of it. That way I get to see things that I do like and my time is never wasted.
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Old November 4 2009, 05:47 PM   #70
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Everyone called him JarJar Adama
A quick search of the board finds exactly one person who ever used that name, and you seem to be logged into his account.
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Old November 4 2009, 06:41 PM   #71
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I've seen JarJar used across the net, maybe not here but that's because a lot of people were just brown nosers who thought Eick and Ron Moore walked on water or performed miracles. This is a trek site, RDM did a nice chunk of quality work for Trek so he has something of a following here. If you criticsed the series in the battlestar BBS section you got flamed by a bunch trolls here on the trekbbs.

Season 1 of the new Battlestar is worth watching, well written, it had good pace and its not all political, depressing or spiritualist crap. A good chunk of Season 2 is also worth watching, at this stage despite the ratings starting to decline it works. It might work less well but its one of the better shows out there and S2 still works. However the show goes to veer of the tracks by mid season two, love triangles are thrown in for no other reason than soap opera, the show stretches out and wanders where as before it worked much better as a tightly knit run of 12? episodes. Also by the end of season 2 were are introduced to RDM's flash back, time jump and flash forward crap and political BS. An anti-Galactica movement starts to kick off around season 2, these are not the old school fans who watched Dallas, old people who watched the A-team or the original run. These are the new young fans bashing the RDM show disgusted with where it went. I hoped it would turn around during 3 but nothing, so I stopped watching it permenantly
Many pro BSG sites became bashing sites. Here are examples of the anti-Galactica movement:

http://wiki.frakr.com/en/Kara_Thrace
Kara "Starfrak" Thrace is a conflicted mess who is good with a stick. Most of this comes from the fact she has a destiny... which was to piss off the fans with her stupid affair with her dead fiancee's retarded brother. Also, she was super-powered in the first season, being the best at pretty much everything until she landed on whatever hellhole Helo and his frak-bot were on.
That means she can fly men as well as she can fly a Viper ... which means both tend to crash and burn. Not even her husband can escape this fate.
Thrace also has the tendency, shall we say, to make herself available to many of the men on Galactica. Maybe she would have done the same to Admiral Cain had she lived.
In short many, many people thought it "Jumped the Shark"



If I were to compare Stargate Universe to anything I would compare it to Voyager or Firefly but I don't think it has that BSG feel. A rogue Voyager, with tech, with lesser aliens, with humor but a Voyager with no federation values.
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Old November 4 2009, 08:51 PM   #72
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TheMasterOfOrion, your Check analysis of SGU vs. BSG was pretty hilarious.
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Old November 7 2009, 06:40 AM   #73
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Take EJO for example, they would film these close ups of his face that would remind everyone of the Apollo-11 landings
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Old November 8 2009, 12:38 AM   #74
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@cultcross
I think the main reason for people like you and I disagreeing on SGU (and nuBSG, for that matter) is exactly what you've said here: everything you liked about SG-1 and SGA as they were was everything I wished they'd dispense with. The camp, the child friendly scrubbed clean characters, the bwha-ha-ha villains.
Ultimately the ratings will bear out which of our opinions is more popular. I think SGU will suffer because people are expecting it to be SG:1 or SG:A, and they are not getting what is expected. The campy nature is what the franchise was built on, and it is unlikely that the franchise can be successful without it.

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Old November 8 2009, 03:48 AM   #75
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The campy nature is what the franchise was built on, and it is unlikely that the franchise can be successful without it.
The movie that started the franchise wasn't campy. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that.
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