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Old August 14 2008, 01:36 AM   #61
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It is not Photoshopped. As PowderToastMan suggested, this is not the only source of information that Trekmovie.com and others have as to the outfits. People have seen them.
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Old August 14 2008, 02:17 AM   #62
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Being somewhat knowledgeable about he way light works, it looks to me that the woven pattern will be visible depending or the angle of light striking the surface. So while at some angles, this woven pattern may not be noticeable in the film, I believe when the light is at shallow angles to the surface of the fabric (such as in Sulu's and Scotty's pics) the delta pattern will be somewhat predominant.

Now, I don't really care if it's logical or not. I don't really care about that. If it looks cool, which I think it does, I'm all for it. Let's face it, the TOS uniforms are pretty plain jane, as was the Enterprise, so if both have more detail, so much the better.
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Old August 14 2008, 02:28 AM   #63
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Now, I don't really care if it's logical or not. I don't really care about that. If it looks cool, which I think it does, I'm all for it. Let's face it, the TOS uniforms are pretty plain jane, as was the Enterprise, so if both have more detail, so much the better.
This will likely be the only thing I'm gonna say on this topic since it matters not a jot to me one way or the other.

Simple creative choice is justification enough for the costumer and Abrams to choose to include this pattern no matter how it got there. That's all you need to know to understand the why? There need not and probably isn't a "logical" justification anyway and need not be any offered. Such is part of the creative process.

Very often on films in prop making and costuming there are always little details included that get lost on screen but are there anyway because it is creatively satisfying to those involved in the production to add that those details.

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Old August 14 2008, 03:36 AM   #64
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Very often on films in prop making and costuming there are always little details included that get lost on screen but are there anyway because it is creatively satisfying to those involved in the production to add that those details.
From a recent interview with Rick Baker (makeup and critters for Star Wars and now the upcoming The Wolf Man):

Shock: Has the advent of Blu-Ray and HD made your job any more difficult?
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It hasn't changed my job, in my mind anyways, because I try to make the stuff look realistic. When I was a kid doing all of this, I would put pores and all of this stuff [into my work] and Hollywood people would say, Kid, you're doing too much work, you're never going to see that shit. I see it. I want it to look as good as I can make it, so I personally want the makeups to look as real in person if you're standing this far away from it.
Sometimes that's just as important, because it keeps those guys going. It keeps them sharp at what they do. I imagine it's the same thing with costumers.
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Old August 14 2008, 03:41 AM   #65
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Very often on films in prop making and costuming there are always little details included that get lost on screen but are there anyway because it is creatively satisfying to those involved in the production to add that those details.
From a recent interview with Rick Baker (makeup and critters for Star Wars and now the upcoming The Wolf Man):

Shock: Has the advent of Blu-Ray and HD made your job any more difficult?
Baker: It hasn't changed my job, in my mind anyways, because I try to make the stuff look realistic. When I was a kid doing all of this, I would put pores and all of this stuff [into my work] and Hollywood people would say, Kid, you're doing too much work, you're never going to see that shit. I see it. I want it to look as good as I can make it, so I personally want the makeups to look as real in person if you're standing this far away from it.
Sometimes that's just as important, because it keeps those guys going. It keeps them sharp at what they do. I imagine it's the same thing with costumers.
Perfect example, very well said.
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Old August 15 2008, 12:42 AM   #66
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There's no "logical reason" for the Romulans to put little squares all over their uniforms either. It's just a fabric. There doesn't need to be a reason.

And in the 23rd century, custom fabric patterns could be all the rage. Plus, you know, easy to make. What with the advanced technology and all.

Just think of the advancements there will be in the textile industry 300 years from now!
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Old August 15 2008, 02:42 PM   #67
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^Fo'sho (TM).

Besides, all this bitching and moaning over the pattern in the uniform fabric is silly. Then again this is the Trekbbs. Movies often put in tiny details that may or may not be seen in order to create a world that seems "real" enough. It's an aesthetic choice like Meyer having Khan wear only one glove throughout TWOK.
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Old August 15 2008, 04:20 PM   #68
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It is not Photoshopped. As PowderToastMan suggested, this is not the only source of information that Trekmovie.com and others have as to the outfits. People have seen them.
i did not suggest it, i stated it.
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Old August 16 2008, 02:04 AM   #69
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While I think the uniforms being made of little chevrons is Superman Returns lame, it's not that far a stretch. And it doesn't look as stupid as having a camo pattern made up of the GIJoe logo. The approach they seem to be taking with TOS unis is just layered athletic wear like Nike, Adidas, or Under Armor. The chevron is also a minor detail you'll barely see onscreen.
Why would it be lame?
I said it would be "Superman Returns lame" because Superman's suit in that film was made of little s's. As for why it would be lame, I don't see a military organization making it's uniforms out of it's symbol. It seems silly to me, like if the army made it camo patterns out of patriotic stars. I then go into a possible reason why it would thematically fit the costumes of TOS and be less silly.
If you look at the US Marine Corp's new digital camo, you will see little globe and anchors in the pattern.
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Old November 5 2009, 09:00 PM   #70
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did you like the logo all over the crew uniforms
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Old November 6 2009, 05:50 AM   #71
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Ok, since there seems to alot of aggrement/conformation about the "delta texture" to the uniforms.

This goes back to my original post: Why does the texture seem to be missing from Spock's shirt?
Hmm, I never payed a whole attietion to that, and I seen the movie 9 times! Anyways, I know in some of the pictures (scenes) you can see the delta sheild in Spock's uniform. But you have to look very closley because Spock's uniform seems to be darker than McCoy's. I guess when the movie comes out on dvd/blu ray I have to watch it again, and see for myself.
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Old November 7 2009, 03:18 AM   #72
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did you like the logo all over the crew uniforms
What a way to bring this thing back!!!
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Old November 7 2009, 03:24 AM   #73
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Thread Necro!

Anyhoo, I love the new uniform patterns. Lots of great detail shows me they worked very hard to make this movie feel more realistic, and that's always appreciated.

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Old November 7 2009, 10:24 AM   #74
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why the logo all over the jumpers not saying that I don't like the new uniforms.
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Old November 7 2009, 11:46 AM   #75
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why the logo all over the jumpers not saying that I don't like the new uniforms.
Visual aesthetic.


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