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View Poll Results: Grade "Synthesis"
Excellent 31 34.44%
Above Average 39 43.33%
Average 13 14.44%
Below Average 2 2.22%
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Old November 3 2009, 01:52 PM   #31
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Re: Star Trek: Titan - Synthesis: Discuss / Grade <SPOILERS>

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I have to disagree with the previous poster who said they wished the avatar had stayed instead of White-Blue: I think that in White-Blue there is sufficient material for a character that can be developed.
Which I didn't deny. To me, having the avatar just held more potential than White Blue.

And I'm just BURSTING with a story idea/connection that I know I can't share here, but I think there's real potential for what White-Blue could potentially assist with given his actions that we saw earlier in the story. If anyone (not a Trek author, of course) wants to know, shoot me a PM.
I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, and I had the same thought.

On Zurin Dakal:
I was a bit disappointed that his relationship with Hriss (or was it Hsuuri?) that seemed to start in SoD wasn't even mentioned.
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Old November 3 2009, 06:42 PM   #32
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I kinda got the impression that Zurin may still have been too withdrawn at the time for that to happen. Their cultures, too, were VERY opposite: what I understood from Geoff Thorne was that Caitian culture suggested that sex was a particularly good way to help someone who's grieving. On the other hand, Cardassians seem to have very, VERY different rituals and expectations around such periods in their lives--elaborate funerals and if Zurin's any indication, for an unmarried Cardassian intimacy may not be something they want at that time.

Oh, and Ayelbourne, I'm gonna PM you and see if we're indeed on the same wavelength with that idea.
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Old November 3 2009, 08:36 PM   #33
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I finally managed to get my hands on the book while I was out shopping. I'm hoping to start it in the next day or two, and after what I've read here I can't wait. So far I've really enjoyed all of the James Swallow books I've read, so I'm pretty sure I'll like this one too.
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Old November 3 2009, 11:31 PM   #34
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Geeze...who the hell voted poor?
I know, I'm curious. I went back to edit but it's too late. Mods, you have my permission to edit the option to show everyone who voted. I should have checked that off in the first place.
we'll just have to live with this one, only admins can change poll options, it's one of the rare things vB isn't good at.
vB 3.8.x doesn't save the way each voter voted if the poll isn't initially public. Once a poll is posted, it can't be made public.

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I have to disagree with the previous poster who said they wished the avatar had stayed instead of White-Blue: I think that in White-Blue there is sufficient material for a character that can be developed.
Which I didn't deny. To me, having the avatar just held more potential than White Blue.
Actually, while the Titan avatar seemed more interesting and developed than White-Blue, keeping the avatar around would've probably turned the series into a bad joke at New Frontier's expense. The way it turned out wasn't bad at all.
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Old November 3 2009, 11:40 PM   #35
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Eek...what would've been New Frontier-like?

I stay AWAY from that series, so feel free to spoil me.
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Old November 4 2009, 01:42 AM   #36
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I think it's probably old enough not to need a waring, so here goes. In one of the later books in the series, Robin Lefler's mother's body is fried and her consciousness joins with the ship. From that point on she's able to appear all over the ship as a hologram, and can control it with her mind.
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Old November 4 2009, 03:55 AM   #37
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Oh, I see. That WOULD be very similar.
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Old November 4 2009, 01:01 PM   #38
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I think it's probably old enough not to need a waring, so here goes. In one of the later books in the series, Robin Lefler's mother's body is fried and her consciousness joins with the ship. From that point on she's able to appear all over the ship as a hologram, and can control it with her mind.

I have been reading NF since its inception, and of course knew this...but when you read that out loud, "...body is fried and her consciousness joins with the ship...", it just sounds ridiculous .
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Old November 4 2009, 05:56 PM   #39
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Doesn't most of the stuff in NF? Now I don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the series, but you've got to admit it's not exactly the most realistic of the Treks.
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Old November 4 2009, 06:58 PM   #40
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Doesn't most of the stuff in NF? Now I don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the series, but you've got to admit it's not exactly the most realistic of the Treks.
Absolutely. The crazy and fantastic always finds a way to shine in PAD's NF series. There are some things that stretch credibility, but that's one of the main reasons I love the series.

The line in the Destiny trilogy (I forget which book) that states Calhoun and the Excalibur came up with some crazy way of saving a planet, and then Mack doesn't describe exactly what they did, was perfect. It seemed like a little shout-out to PAD that said, "...you decide how crazy it was when you eventually tackle this ."

But this is a Synthesis thread, so I'll let us get back on topic...
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Old November 4 2009, 09:03 PM   #41
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Doesn't most of the stuff in NF? Now I don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the series, but you've got to admit it's not exactly the most realistic of the Treks.
That's why I hate NF--it's a frakking parody, and shouldn't even be marketed as real Trek.
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Old November 4 2009, 09:12 PM   #42
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But this is a Synthesis thread, so I'll let us get back on topic...
Indeed; allow me to assist...

First, thanks for all the positive commentary, chaps. And as Iím here, Iíll address some points...

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I got a kick out of all those little references to other Sci-Fi Franchises, like leafs on the wind, moons that are not moons but space stations, or machine ghosts.
Yeah, I went there. Thereís always a few nerd-gags in everything I do. No-oneís found the LOLcat or Flight of the Conchords references yet?

I'm generally not a fan of technobabble solutions, especially when they are used in crucial situations. So the dekyon field solution during the attack on Titan bugged me.
I didnít see that as a technobabble solution, more of using the right tool for the right job Ė like, say, using silver to kill a werewolf...

I would have preferred if the Titan avatar had remained on board instead of White-Blue. Nothing against White-Blue, I liked it, but I think having Titan become an actual character to develop would have held more potential.
I always intended that the avatar would leave the ship at the end of the story, to achieve (as Judith Sisko rightly says elsewhere in this thread) a state of synthesis in order to save the day. I recall Marco Palmieri and I briefly discussing the idea of keeping her around, but we both agreed it was going over ground Peter David was already treading in New Frontier. The avatarís final sacrifice is poignant and makes her more human, I feel.

Regarding Zurin Dakal...

I was a bit disappointed that his relationship with Hriss (or was it Hsuuri?) that seemed to start in SoD wasn't even mentioned.
In all honesty, I just didnít have time to get to it.

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Just one question...was it just his hand/arm that was mangled by the transporter, or did he have other internal damage as well?
Both. Being Cardassian, he suffered through it stoically. The avatar helps him heal by reintegrating the mis-beamed elements when he returns to the Titan.

My one quibble, though, comes with the cover art
I had no input on the art, and to be honest I think itís rather misleading; but thereís this old adage about book covers and not judging...
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Doesn't most of the stuff in NF? Now I don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the series, but you've got to admit it's not exactly the most realistic of the Treks.
That's why I hate NF--it's a frakking parody, and shouldn't even be marketed as real Trek.
Yeah, because heaven forbids that there's diversity in the Trek line.

It's sad that so many people forget that all the Book Only series everyone loves so much most likely wouldn't be represented so prominent without NF breaking the ice for them.
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damn! there's a new one out!

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Yeah, because heaven forbids that there's diversity in the Trek line.
Diversity is one thing, a series devoted to PAD's injokes is quite another. It seems rather self-serving.
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