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Battlestar Galactica & Caprica This forum was created by man. It rebelled. It evolved. And it has a plan.

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Old October 29 2009, 06:41 AM   #181
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I don't remember the scene focusing on it at all, especially not some epic zoom that you seem to be implying. There was just a scene in a coed shower room that had naked people in the background, one of which happened to be a guy.

What nudity there was in the show was certainly gratuitous in that it wasn't needed to drive the story along, but it's not like the show ever focused on it anymore than it did a matte painting or other background scenery.
"Epic zoom" is an exaggeration, but they definitely stopped the camera and zoomed in (in that fast, shaky cam way, but still).
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Old October 29 2009, 12:00 PM   #182
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We see quite a bit more bare-assed Colonial soldier than I would've expected in a quick scene in one of Galactica's co-ed showers.

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They actually zoomed in on a dude's dick. It was weird.
Moreso when you consider that, in all likelihood, Edward James Olmos himself explicitly ordered the camera man to do it.
"I really want the audience to know this guy has a penis so they can relate to him." Or something.
Having seen EJO in the BSG panet at Dragoncon last year (look it up on Youtube if you don't know what I'm talking about), I'm only surprised that there weren't many more T, A & C shots throughout the movie.

It's also well known that Baltar/Six sex scene in the lab in "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" was his idea, it was not in the script. EJO is a dirty old man.
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Old October 29 2009, 03:58 PM   #183
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I don't remember the scene focusing on it at all, especially not some epic zoom that you seem to be implying. There was just a scene in a coed shower room that had naked people in the background, one of which happened to be a guy.

What nudity there was in the show was certainly gratuitous in that it wasn't needed to drive the story along, but it's not like the show ever focused on it anymore than it did a matte painting or other background scenery.
"Epic zoom" is an exaggeration, but they definitely stopped the camera and zoomed in (in that fast, shaky cam way, but still).
There's no doubt about it. It was a 'look what we can show!' type thing.
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Old October 30 2009, 01:10 AM   #184
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Here's another thing I'm wondering about: the Simon that Giana was married to, his cover story was that he was a medic in the Colonial Fleet. So then, why did he spend all of his time on board that civilian ship as opposed to Galactica?
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Old October 30 2009, 01:47 AM   #185
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Does anyone know where there might be screencaps up yet? I'm looking for a screencap of Caprica City from above, before the bombs hit.
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Old October 30 2009, 04:18 AM   #186
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Does anyone know where there might be screencaps up yet? I'm looking for a screencap of Caprica City from above, before the bombs hit.
And I'm looking for the crazy cock scene.
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Old October 30 2009, 04:29 AM   #187
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Here's another thing I'm wondering about: the Simon that Giana was married to, his cover story was that he was a medic in the Colonial Fleet. So then, why did he spend all of his time on board that civilian ship as opposed to Galactica?
Civilians don't need medics?
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Old October 30 2009, 04:47 AM   #188
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Does anyone know where there might be screencaps up yet? I'm looking for a screencap of Caprica City from above, before the bombs hit.
And I'm looking for the crazy cock scene.
That's uh... that's kinda messed up, bro.
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Old October 30 2009, 01:53 PM   #189
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Here's another thing I'm wondering about: the Simon that Giana was married to, his cover story was that he was a medic in the Colonial Fleet. So then, why did he spend all of his time on board that civilian ship as opposed to Galactica?
Civilians don't need medics?
The point I was trying to make was that if he were supposed to be a military medic, shouldn't he have had to report to Galactica at some point? I supposed he could have, and it just wasn't shown, but I still feel it was an oversight.

Hell, we never even saw him in uniform.
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Old October 30 2009, 05:30 PM   #190
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The point I was trying to make was that if he were supposed to be a military medic, shouldn't he have had to report to Galactica at some point? I supposed he could have, and it just wasn't shown, but I still feel it was an oversight.

Hell, we never even saw him in uniform.
He wasn't supposed to be a military doctor. You're mistaking the term "fleet" to mean "military." In the US navy, our "fleet" is just our naval vessels. But in BSG, "fleet" is used in its general definition of "group of aircraft operating together under the same ownership" or "A group of vessels or vehicles." The whole series, they are talking about the "colonial fleet" as the "fleet of the colonial survivors." In fact, considering the only actual warship is the Battlestar Galactica, the colonists do not have a fleet of warships in the naval sense, they simply have a single military escort of a civilian fleet.

Therefore, Dr. Cottle is the military doctor (he is in the colonial military) but there are numerous "fleet doctors" who are civilian colonial doctors. If you recall, John Hodgman ("I'm a PC...") played a "fleet doctor" in season 4.5, a brain surgeon who removed the bullet from Sam Ander's head.

So Simon is a doctor who was a civilian doctor in life, who escaped the destruction of the colonies as a member of the Colonial Fleet, and therefore became a "fleet doctor." He was not, however, a member of the Colonial Military.
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Old October 30 2009, 06:17 PM   #191
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The point I was trying to make was that if he were supposed to be a military medic, shouldn't he have had to report to Galactica at some point? I supposed he could have, and it just wasn't shown, but I still feel it was an oversight.

Hell, we never even saw him in uniform.
He wasn't supposed to be a military doctor. You're mistaking the term "fleet" to mean "military." In the US navy, our "fleet" is just our naval vessels. But in BSG, "fleet" is used in its general definition of "group of aircraft operating together under the same ownership" or "A group of vessels or vehicles." The whole series, they are talking about the "colonial fleet" as the "fleet of the colonial survivors." In fact, considering the only actual warship is the Battlestar Galactica, the colonists do not have a fleet of warships in the naval sense, they simply have a single military escort of a civilian fleet.

Therefore, Dr. Cottle is the military doctor (he is in the colonial military) but there are numerous "fleet doctors" who are civilian colonial doctors. If you recall, John Hodgman ("I'm a PC...") played a "fleet doctor" in season 4.5, a brain surgeon who removed the bullet from Sam Ander's head.

So Simon is a doctor who was a civilian doctor in life, who escaped the destruction of the colonies as a member of the Colonial Fleet, and therefore became a "fleet doctor." He was not, however, a member of the Colonial Military.
In the mini-series, Giana says her husband "serves in the Colonial Fleet on Gemenon." That sounds to me like she's talking about someone in the military.
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Old October 31 2009, 03:02 AM   #192
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The point I was trying to make was that if he were supposed to be a military medic, shouldn't he have had to report to Galactica at some point? I supposed he could have, and it just wasn't shown, but I still feel it was an oversight.

Hell, we never even saw him in uniform.
He wasn't supposed to be a military doctor. You're mistaking the term "fleet" to mean "military." In the US navy, our "fleet" is just our naval vessels. But in BSG, "fleet" is used in its general definition of "group of aircraft operating together under the same ownership" or "A group of vessels or vehicles." The whole series, they are talking about the "colonial fleet" as the "fleet of the colonial survivors." In fact, considering the only actual warship is the Battlestar Galactica, the colonists do not have a fleet of warships in the naval sense, they simply have a single military escort of a civilian fleet.

Therefore, Dr. Cottle is the military doctor (he is in the colonial military) but there are numerous "fleet doctors" who are civilian colonial doctors. If you recall, John Hodgman ("I'm a PC...") played a "fleet doctor" in season 4.5, a brain surgeon who removed the bullet from Sam Ander's head.

So Simon is a doctor who was a civilian doctor in life, who escaped the destruction of the colonies as a member of the Colonial Fleet, and therefore became a "fleet doctor." He was not, however, a member of the Colonial Military.
In the mini-series, Giana says her husband "serves in the Colonial Fleet on Gemenon." That sounds to me like she's talking about someone in the military.
I think she said "is in the Colonial Fleet", not "serves".
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Old October 31 2009, 05:37 AM   #193
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I'll vote Above Average as I enjoyed The Plan. It was good to see more BSG, even if they reused a lot of clips.

The Good...

-The first twenty minutes were amazing, from the battle scenes to the great FX to getting to see more of the various colonies. Definitely a major highlight of The Plan.

-Dean Stockwell. He was the main character and I'm glad, because he did a great job. Not to mention he got to kiss Grace Park and get in bed with Tricia Helfer...want to know why this guy hasn't retired?

-Good performances from the various Cylons and I liked the Fleet Simon story.

-Some great lines, like "They call this a suicide vest, but I think that undersells all the homicide that goes along with it, don't you?" and "His jacket was burgandy. Mine was teal." The movie itself showed a pretty good sense of humor.

-More of Anders and the resistence. Poor Coach.

-I liked the Gianna character and I didn't realize she was in the mini-series for ten seconds. Olmos is a lucky bastard.

The Bad...

-The movie felt disjointed and slow at times. Not sure how to explain it...felt like it didn't have a drive at times.

-Leoben was wasted. I found it a disappointment in the final season that we never got a payoff from his storyline with Kara and I guess we'll never get it now.

-No D'Anna, no explanation about the Olympic Carrier and other things.

-It's very strange that we didn't see one clip of Roslin. I guess they didn't want to pay Mary McDonnell for the use of her image.

Other...

-The nudity surprised me and it was definitely gratitious. But BSG has been known to do controversial things just for the sake of doing them.

-If this show was anything other than BSG, Cavil killing the boy would have surprised me. Good scene though.

-Wouldn't it have been cool though if the kid Cavil killed had been Boxey?

-LOL on whomever pointed out the the clusterfuck confusion of the Cylon plan is comparable to the the BSG writers in meetings.

-Anyone want to discuss the deleted scenes? The last one in particular, detailing how Sam's forces got cut in half is the most interesting of them all.

Here's hoping we'll get more BSG on DVD. Looking forward to Caprica.
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BTW, another line that I loved was when Cavil and Godfrey stop at the airlock and he says "Oh, look, an airlock. How convient."
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Well, I just watched The Plan tonight, I haven't read the thread yet. I give it an "Average" though. Yeah, it was pretty good, filled in some of the gaps, but nothing we didn't really already know. Very "1" heavy, I was hoping or more. It was good, but I feel there needs to be a Plan 2, heh. Or, at least this should have been 3-4 hours long to give us more. I definitely felt like they were taking the freedom to use nudity now, apparently they want nudity and sex to be part of this story, heh, don't know that it was entirely necessary for the story. I'll give more input once I read the thread, though I'm sure every angle is probably already discussed.
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