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Old October 29 2009, 07:28 PM   #16
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I really like Kevin Smith but I don't think his style is a good fit with Superman. I read his script and I wasn't impressed at all.
Wow..a first!! You and I agree on this totally!!!

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Old October 29 2009, 07:29 PM   #17
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I don't know if it's possible to really put Superman on screen in a compelling way any more without making dramatic changes to the character of a kind that would put off fans.

I never got into Smallville so I don't know how the screenwriters there took care of the #1 problem with Superman as a film character: he only has one vulnerability, so every time you make a movie about him it has to include, "...OK, and then the villain has some Kryptonite..." With the other possibility being, "...OK, and then the villain kidnaps - X - to hold them hostage and threaten Superman..."

There are just more ways to take Batman or Spiderman as characters because they can lose in a wider range of ways.

But if you start using dramatically different origin scripts, you can tweak the character's vulnerabilities to make them what you want them to be. That's probably why the studios find it so tempting and have commissioned scripts that do this. It's not because they're deliberately being dicks, they just don't want to keep making Superman 1 and 2 over and over again.
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Old October 29 2009, 08:28 PM   #18
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I'd be up for a Kevin Smith written, Jon Favreau directed Superman movie starring Brandon Routh! I enjoyed the Smith draft of Superman Lives even known all the problems he had to deal with including plot and the very nature of Superman himself. I think he'd write a much more traditional Superman given carte blanche and Favreau's input would only help him...apperently he's been very involved with the Iron Man 2 script and the later drafts of Iron Man.
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Old October 29 2009, 08:44 PM   #19
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^ Or they could, I dunno, cast someone who looks like Superman.
Which is why I said I agreed in principle with the previous poster, who said that actors should look like the comic characters they're playing. But for the purposes of that post, I was talking just in the context of Cage v Smith.
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Old October 29 2009, 09:14 PM   #20
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I don't know if it's possible to really put Superman on screen in a compelling way any more without making dramatic changes to the character of a kind that would put off fans.

I never got into Smallville so I don't know how the screenwriters there took care of the #1 problem with Superman as a film character: he only has one vulnerability, so every time you make a movie about him it has to include, "...OK, and then the villain has some Kryptonite..." With the other possibility being, "...OK, and then the villain kidnaps - X - to hold them hostage and threaten Superman..."
Not entirely true. Supes has been beaten, nay, killed, by a character who was simply more superstrong and invulnerable than he is. No kryptonite or kidnapping involved. Just a straight up fist fight going on for several issues.

The problem with the movies IMHO, has always been the over-reliance on Lex Luthor as main villain. Obviously, HE needs the plot elements you mention to threaten Supes. The more recent comic book movie convention of killing off members of the rogue gallery within the feature they debut in is probably a response to this flaw of the Superman series.. which has, in ways, invented the genre, hasn't it? Admittedly, most other Supes villains are kinda lame. The sad thing is, if they go the reboot route, the first movie pretty much needs to have Lex, again!
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Old October 29 2009, 09:17 PM   #21
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I don't know if it's possible to really put Superman on screen in a compelling way any more without making dramatic changes to the character of a kind that would put off fans.

I never got into Smallville so I don't know how the screenwriters there took care of the #1 problem with Superman as a film character: he only has one vulnerability, so every time you make a movie about him it has to include, "...OK, and then the villain has some Kryptonite..." With the other possibility being, "...OK, and then the villain kidnaps - X - to hold them hostage and threaten Superman..."
Not entirely true. Supes has been beaten, nay, killed, by a character who was simply more superstrong and invulnerable than he is. No kryptonite or kidnapping involved. Just a straight up fist fight going on for several issues.

The problem with the movies IMHO, has always been the over-reliance on Lex Luthor as main villain. Obviously, HE needs the plot elements you mention to threaten Supes. The more recent comic book movie convention of killing off members of the rogue gallery within the feature they debut in is probably a response to this flaw of the Superman series.. which has, in ways, invented the genre, hasn't it? Admittedly, most other Supes villains are kinda lame. The sad thing is, if they go the reboot route, the first movie pretty much needs to have Lex, again!
I totally agree...they dont even need to do another ORIGIN movie..if you don't know who superman is, then you're not part of the human condition..

The next Superman movie should just go on as if he's always been a hero on Earth..and I think braniac, as handled in the TIMM universe, would be a perfect villain, and would allow for some great FX battles..especially if it is revealed that he was the cause of Kyrpton's destruction..

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Old October 29 2009, 09:38 PM   #22
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Ooh! There's an idea! Superman Origins: Clark Kent.
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Old October 29 2009, 11:26 PM   #23
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I think an original way to do a Superman movie is Superman & The Legion Of Superheroes, the movie would be Called Legion Of Superheroes but on the movie poster would be Superman with a Legion ring on.
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^ I would see a live action Superman/Legion movie.
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Old October 30 2009, 02:25 AM   #25
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Plus Kevin Smith could write the hell out of Bouncing Boy and lots of jokes with Triplicate Girl.

I think it would be a fresh way to go with Superman...the Legion has fun heroes...the Justice League heroes seem to be taken too serious.
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