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View Poll Results: Grade BELONGING ep2x4 of Dollhouse
EXCELLENT 48 80.00%
ABOVE AVERAGE 7 11.67%
AVERAGE 3 5.00%
BELOW AVERAGE 0 0%
POOR 2 3.33%
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Old October 24 2009, 01:41 PM   #16
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Re: Dollhouse 2x4 Belonging Grade-Discuss-Commentary **SPOILERS**

It's funny, for this show the quality of an episode is inversely proportional to the amount of screen time Eliza Dushku has.

This episode was also written by the same people that wrote "Epitaph One", which would explain why it was so good.
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Old October 24 2009, 01:59 PM   #17
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Well directed by Jonathan Frakes.
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Old October 24 2009, 03:27 PM   #18
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If we don't see better things ahead for Dichen Lachman, I'd be very surprised. This show is also coming into its own, though it might be too late. Too bad the network screwed with it to begin with. You definitely see a major difference in quality at the point where Joss and crew and given free reign. Is it too much to hope that SciFi picks it up?
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Old October 24 2009, 03:53 PM   #19
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If we don't see better things ahead for Dichen Lachman, I'd be very surprised. This show is also coming into its own, though it might be too late. Too bad the network screwed with it to begin with. You definitely see a major difference in quality at the point where Joss and crew and given free reign. Is it too much to hope that SciFi picks it up?
I don't think they could, it was made because of a production deal Eliza has with Fox.
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Old October 24 2009, 04:37 PM   #20
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Amazing episode. I wish we had more like this. I'm hoping that the remainder of the season will deliver material of this high quality.
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An amazing episode, Fox's treatment of this show makes me sick.
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Old October 24 2009, 05:31 PM   #22
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Easily the best show I've ever seen of this series and I thought Dichen Lachman did a nice job. It really moved Topher and Adelle to a new level and reinforced Boyd and Echo.

These "slow burn" series are tough because by the time they get some good stuff brewing the series gets cancelled.
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Old October 24 2009, 07:24 PM   #23
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That was probably the best episode of the series, and one where Topher's character wasn't a signficant annoyance. And Dichen Lachman was really good too. Liked the Aussie accent too.
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Old October 24 2009, 08:19 PM   #24
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You know when rogue poster comes in and votes POOR with no response its obviously a vote with no merit.
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Old October 25 2009, 01:10 AM   #25
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These "slow burn" series are tough because by the time they get some good stuff brewing the series gets cancelled.
firefly felt like a "slow burn" series. It was absolutely incredible. So I don't feel that was justified nor Lost. It is difficult to do a slow burn series right. You have to balance the not revealing too much early on but revealing enough to keep viewers wanting more. An easy step IMO to make it happen seems to be is to create likable characters but with the whole dollhouse premise it is tough to make that happen.
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Old October 25 2009, 01:55 AM   #26
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Easily one of, if not the, best episode of the series.
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Old October 25 2009, 02:25 AM   #27
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I knew we were in for a treat when I saw the promos two weeks ago.
I didn't expect anything less from the writers who gave us Epitaph One.

So, yeah. Excellent material all around. I especially liked when Boyd and Topher went all Dexter on that dead rapists ass.
Speaking of Dexter. Great to see Keith Carradine again so soon,
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Old October 25 2009, 03:06 AM   #28
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Overnights are in: Dollhouse (Viewers: #4, 2.15 million; A18-49: #4, 0.9/ 3) So Dollhouse this year has been 2.56 > 2.09 > 2.25 > 2.15.
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Old October 25 2009, 03:35 AM   #29
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I don't get why this is any worse than any of the other "engagements". Because he's creepy raper dude? So what? The other times, they just going on "dates" and not being whored out?
It's not the raping, it's the procurement. He altered her mind with drugs, misrepresented her as a schizophrenic, and gave her to the Dollhouse for the sole purpose of having a rapetoy. He tricked them into thinking she was irrevocably damaged and unable to live with dignity or happiness. Say what you want about how the Dollhouse treats actives, they do seem to prefer recruiting volunteers and lost causes vs. snatching people off the street.
At least this branch of the Dollhouse.
Well, given that they are happy to brainwipe some NSA dude or whatever the old security officer was, I don't think these people have any morals about snatching people off the street. Yeah, they say these people want to forget their traumas... but I have to imagine that there are people who are just "caught" by these guys and mindwiped.
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Old October 25 2009, 04:20 AM   #30
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Well, given that they are happy to brainwipe some NSA dude or whatever the old security officer was, I don't think these people have any morals about snatching people off the street.
Yeah, it's amazing how much these people are like...uh, people.

I like Topher, BTW. Hell, I like everyone on the damned show.

Part of the subtext of this series that makes it so creepy is recognizing that the "morality" of the Dollhouse is a pretty accurate reflection of how the world actually works. Most everyone is far more morally compromised than they'll admit to themselves, and that's the price of participation in our society. If one wants to be moral in the uncomplicated way that "good" characters in most popular fiction are one has to opt out of, for example, the consumer economy; filling up the gas tank makes a person complicit in heinous crimes that are taking place very day.

Oh, except that there are a whole bunch of good reasons that none of us are culpable for that and it's not really true anyway and, you know, you can't put a price on human life and all that reassuring sentimental stuff.
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