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Old October 23 2009, 07:57 AM   #31
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Re: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing - Discuss (SPOILERS)

I'm on the fence about buying the book (not really an Enterprise guy), but I was wondering, does this book deal with the Columbia's post-Destiny fate at all? Maybe Archer getting all sad or something?
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Old October 23 2009, 08:20 AM   #32
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I'm on the fence about buying the book (not really an Enterprise guy), but I was wondering, does this book deal with the Columbia's post-Destiny fate at all?
I'm only a few chapters into it, but I can tell you that the disappearance of Columbia does play a part in the book, at least in the prologue. But most of the book is set before Columbia disappeared.

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Old October 23 2009, 04:02 PM   #33
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Actually, the fact that the Daedalus pre-dates the NX was established in Last Full Measure.
That and I figured that the Daedalus that was in the Daedalus dulogy was the first ship of this class and occurding to that story it was built some time before Enterprise was.
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Old October 23 2009, 05:32 PM   #34
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I have to say that I am not really satisfied with the ending.
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Old October 23 2009, 05:40 PM   #35
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^ Thanks for keeping it spoiler-free. . . I'm only on Chapter 33 or so, so I still got a way to go!
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Old October 23 2009, 06:23 PM   #36
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It certainly is a hefty book with alot going on with the events of the Romulan war and nice character moments we get to see certain events are unfolding on several different worlds.This story is taking alot of unexpected twists and turns.


This is good to hear. Still trying to get my hands on a copy, as Borders hadn't received it yet the other night when I went. Going to try again this afternoon.
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Old October 24 2009, 02:26 AM   #37
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^ From the wording it does look like they are older than the NX class since they lack the warp 5 engine. They were never mentioned on ENT but I figured they were to be the warp 7 ships launched after Enterprise was retired. I know that both the year they came into the fleet & the name were never official but I thought somewhere it said they were launched after the war.

Regardless I'm liking the book & hope the rest of the war is covered someday.
What makes you think it wouldn't be?
I thought I read here somewhere that the Romulan War was to be a trilogy but was cut to BTRW instead. That & I can't remember if ENT is on the schedual for next year either, the big thing in '10 is the Typhon Pact & Post Trek XI books I think.

Someone refresh my memory circuits please.
Well, I'm pretty sure it's been described as the first book to cover the War and based on what I've heard this book doesn't end the war yet, and I doubt very much that the entire war won't be covered. I think they also added the third title for the same reason.
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Old October 24 2009, 08:08 PM   #38
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I thought I read here somewhere that the Romulan War was to be a trilogy but was cut to BTRW instead.
That's a common misperception. It was never solidly planned to be a trilogy; that was just a possibility that was hinted at early on when it hadn't even been decided yet what its format would be. So nothing was "cut." And BTRW is just the first book to chronicle the Romulan War, and it ends with something of a cliffhanger. It's clearly not meant to be the only book about the war.

That & I can't remember if ENT is on the schedual for next year either, the big thing in '10 is the Typhon Pact & Post Trek XI books I think.
The behind-the-scenes planning in the editorial department is always well ahead of what's actually been announced to the public. And there are always variations in the schedule from year to year. 2010 is loaded with TOS and Abramsverse because it's Pocket's first real opportunity to tie into the movie. But 2011 is the 10th anniversary of Enterprise, so it's logical to assume there will be a greater ENT focus that year.



I just finished the book, and I thought it did an intriguing job of bridging ENT and TOS continuities, showing how one led into the other.


I'm generally not a fan of war stories, but this book doesn't really focus much on the combat; it's more about the politics, the cultures, the personal journeys, the history of this long-discussed but never-depicted era. And so I found it fascinating to see this story told at last.
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Old October 24 2009, 11:54 PM   #39
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How many books are planned to be dedicated to the Romulan War.
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Old October 24 2009, 11:54 PM   #40
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^ We don't know. But clearly more than one.
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Old October 25 2009, 01:33 AM   #41
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I'm at around page 188 or so.

I'm enjoying it quite enjoying it, especially the way Martin manages to tell such a far-reaching story -- about Enterprise, the UE Starfleet, the rest of Earth, Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, and the other Human worlds that have become independent of United Earth. I especially like the idea that the Enterprise and its sister ships represent the "Edsel" of the 22nd Century.

I'm noticing a lot more typos and other such errors than usual. In particular, the supporting character Haroun al-Rashid has inexplicably become Haroun el-Rashid. I'm wondering if this is the result of all the editorial upheaval during the book's writing.

There are a few things in the book that bug me. They're fairly minor, but they irritate me none the less.

- As I said before, the changing of T'Pau's office from First Minister to Administrator, with no acknowledgment of the change.
- The decision to designate the Daedalus-class ships as "U.S.S. Whatever NCC-whatever." That decision just irritated me. The NX-class ships don't follow that nomenclature, which seemed to be a Federation thing. Why would some United Earth ships get that designation but not others? And why would the Federation Starfleet use it later on?
- The decision to call Thomas Vanderbilt the "defense secretary" rather than defense minister. The inconsistent nomenclature just got on my nerve.
- This and the "U.S.S." thing are really the same complaint, but I didn't like the idea of putting the Uinted Earth Prime Minister's office in the Place de la Concorde. This probably sounds silly, arguing against fictitious ethnocentrism, but that goes too far for me in the direction of equating Earth with the Federation. It seems to me that they should have established a distinct location for the PM's office, some place that's not Federation-related, so as to establish that the Federation is not just a Human institution.
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Old October 25 2009, 01:35 AM   #42
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^ We don't know. But clearly more than one.
Clearly? How can you tell? Just because this book has a subtitle?
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Old October 25 2009, 01:46 AM   #43
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I especially like the idea that the Enterprise and its sister ships represent the "Edsel" of the 22nd Century.
Well, not really. More like the Tucker -- a design that was ahead of its time but didn't have widespread success due to various factors. But a lot of design elements of the NX class do end up in the Constitution and other 23rd-century classes.

I'm noticing a lot more typos and other such errors than usual. In particular, the supporting character Haroun al-Rashid has inexplicably become Haroun el-Rashid. I'm wondering if this is the result of all the editorial upheaval during the book's writing.
Well, "al-" and "el-" are both acceptable transliterations of the Arabic definite article.


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^ We don't know. But clearly more than one.
Clearly? How can you tell? Just because this book has a subtitle?
You can tell because the ending of the book is, as I said, a cliffhanger on multiple levels. It's an escalation rather than a resolution. There's no question that the book is intended to be Part One of the story rather than the whole story.
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Old October 25 2009, 03:05 AM   #44
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You can tell because the ending of the book is, as I said, a cliffhanger on multiple levels. It's an escalation rather than a resolution. There's no question that the book is intended to be Part One of the story rather than the whole story.
Even if sequels are "intended", that doesn't mean we will get them for sure, does it? Have any been announced?
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Old October 25 2009, 04:07 AM   #45
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Not yet; but Enterprise books are taking a year off. That was a long book, after all.

There has to be a sequel. Otherwise the next book would just start with Archer, Trip, and T'pol going "Whew! That was a close one!" and going on another routine adventure.
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