Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana - Page 2

JuanBolio · October 17 2009, 10:44 PM

1001001 wrote:

I thought this must have been a bad joke or a misunderstanding.

Who the hell is he to decide this kind of thing?

Ignorant hick.

Well, he says he just won't do it himself. I suppose one could argue he has the right to decide what he does and doesn't do. He suggests they go to another justice to have it done - I suppose that's fair enough. Though I suppose you could make a counter argument that he has a responsibility to do it as part of his job description, regardless of personal beliefs.

RJDiogenes · October 18 2009, 12:52 PM

^^ Reminds me of those pharmacists who won't give out Birth Control Pills. If you're going to accept a job, you have to be willing to do it. But I don't really know much about JOPs and who they work for and how they're paid. Are they government employees or are they independent like a Notary Public? Do they take any kind of an oath?

John Picard · October 18 2009, 04:32 PM

Gotta give this JoP credit for being an equal opportunity offender.

T J · October 18 2009, 08:56 PM

Words cannot craft the furry, anger and absolute disgust I feel about this. I hate humans...

Mr. Laser Beam · October 18 2009, 10:47 PM

This is unconstitutional as well as racist. These people have the absolute right to marry. Apparently this stupid jackass judge doesn't remember Loving v. Virginia...

TJ, this human (if he can be called that) is hardly representative of the whole. Indeed, the *governor of Louisiana* is calling for the judge's dismissal. I think that counts for something.

sidious618 · October 18 2009, 10:49 PM

I can't believe something like this would happen in Louisiana of all places.

JuanBolio · October 18 2009, 11:12 PM

RJDemonicus wrote:

^^ Reminds me of those pharmacists who won't give out Birth Control Pills. If you're going to accept a job, you have to be willing to do it. But I don't really know much about JOPs and who they work for and how they're paid. Are they government employees or are they independent like a Notary Public? Do they take any kind of an oath?

Precisely my thinking.

At least, though, he does tell them they can go to another JoP. He doesn't try to stop them from marrying, exactly.

Count Dracula · October 19 2009, 12:08 AM

I want to thank all of you who have not used this thread to attack the South or Louisiana in particular.

I was born and raised (and still live in) south Louisiana. There is a ton of racism. I had to face it in my own family, as my own father spouted the tirades and hate he'd grown up hearing from his father, as well as my brother from our father.

I broke the cycle because of of my strong Catholic upbringing. I engaged in many a dinner table argument over the issue of equality and love of all people. My father, of course, didn't hear it then and doesn't now.

I've shut him up by assuring him his grandchildren will remain far from him should he EVER bring up hate talk in their presence.

And if you're wondering how I could be raised Catholic with a father like I mentioned, my faith was a journey I took ownership of because of my mother and grandmother, as well as good friends and an inspiring priest who made the faith more than just going through the motions.

Mr. Laser Beam · October 19 2009, 12:24 AM

JuanBolio wrote:

he does tell them they can go to another JoP.

I see. So that works in general, does it? If one JoP won't marry you, you can find another who will (and who won't use the first one's refusal as evidence that the marriage shouldn't be allowed)?

kimc · October 19 2009, 01:36 AM

Lookingglassman wrote:

I'm an interracial kid and I caught hell from just as many blacks as I did whites. This guy is an idiot, but there are black idiots too.

That's a good point. I volunteer as a big sister and my "little" is bi-racial. The only one who has ever given us any grief while we're out and about was an older black man.

JuanBolio · October 19 2009, 01:44 AM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

JuanBolio wrote:

he does tell them they can go to another JoP.

I see. So that works in general, does it? If one JoP won't marry you, you can find another who will (and who won't use the first one's refusal as evidence that the marriage shouldn't be allowed)?

No, I didn't mean to imply it was right or a good idea, just that it was reasonably fair.

Mr. Laser Beam · October 19 2009, 02:35 AM

JuanBolio wrote:

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

JuanBolio wrote:

he does tell them they can go to another JoP.

I see. So that works in general, does it? If one JoP won't marry you, you can find another who will (and who won't use the first one's refusal as evidence that the marriage shouldn't be allowed)?

No, I didn't mean to imply it was right or a good idea, just that it was reasonably fair.

Actually I was only asking if that would work.

JuanBolio · October 19 2009, 02:41 AM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

JuanBolio wrote:

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

I see. So that works in general, does it? If one JoP won't marry you, you can find another who will (and who won't use the first one's refusal as evidence that the marriage shouldn't be allowed)?

No, I didn't mean to imply it was right or a good idea, just that it was reasonably fair.

Actually I was only asking if that would work.

Oh. Yes, I don't see why it wouldn't. Plenty of people out there willing and able to perform marriages.

Mr. Laser Beam · October 19 2009, 02:55 AM

^ I didn't know it worked that way. I thought one justice's word was binding on all, de facto if not de jure.

JuanBolio · October 19 2009, 02:59 AM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

^ I didn't know it worked that way. I thought one justice's word was binding on all, de facto if not de jure.

Not that I ever heard of, no, but different rules for different places, and I'm far from a legal expert. I dare say that this guy, mistaken as he may be, knows his job well enough to know that suggesting that couples he wouldn't wed go to another Justice wouldn't be futile. He doesn't really strike me as an asshole.

October 18 2009, 12:52 PM	#17
RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Location: RJDiogenes of Boston	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana ^^ Reminds me of those pharmacists who won't give out Birth Control Pills. If you're going to accept a job, you have to be willing to do it. But I don't really know much about JOPs and who they work for and how they're paid. Are they government employees or are they independent like a Notary Public? Do they take any kind of an oath? __________________ Please stop by my Gallery and YouTube Page for a visit. And read Trunkards!

October 18 2009, 04:32 PM	#18
John Picard Vice Admiral Location: Waiting for Dorian Thompson to invite me to lunch	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana Gotta give this JoP credit for being an equal opportunity offender. __________________ Don't like my posts? Fill out a report. Psssstttt - Dorian, my location.

October 18 2009, 08:56 PM	#19
T J Commodore Location: milky way... there abouts	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana Words cannot craft the furry, anger and absolute disgust I feel about this. I hate humans... __________________ One of the great revelations of space exploration is the image of the earth, finite and lonely bearing the entire human species through the oceans of space and time. ~ Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

October 18 2009, 10:47 PM	#20
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana This is unconstitutional as well as racist. These people have the absolute right to marry. Apparently this stupid jackass judge doesn't remember Loving v. Virginia... TJ, this human (if he can be called that) is hardly representative of the whole. Indeed, the governor of Louisiana is calling for the judge's dismissal. I think that counts for something. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

October 18 2009, 10:49 PM	#21
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October 19 2009, 12:08 AM	#23
Count Dracula Ensign	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana I want to thank all of you who have not used this thread to attack the South or Louisiana in particular. I was born and raised (and still live in) south Louisiana. There is a ton of racism. I had to face it in my own family, as my own father spouted the tirades and hate he'd grown up hearing from his father, as well as my brother from our father. I broke the cycle because of of my strong Catholic upbringing. I engaged in many a dinner table argument over the issue of equality and love of all people. My father, of course, didn't hear it then and doesn't now. I've shut him up by assuring him his grandchildren will remain far from him should he EVER bring up hate talk in their presence. And if you're wondering how I could be raised Catholic with a father like I mentioned, my faith was a journey I took ownership of because of my mother and grandmother, as well as good friends and an inspiring priest who made the faith more than just going through the motions.

October 19 2009, 02:55 AM	#29
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana ^ I didn't know it worked that way. I thought one justice's word was binding on all, de facto if not de jure. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.