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Old October 7 2009, 05:38 PM   #16
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Re: New Composer and Theme for Series Five?

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I think Gold is as important to nuWho as the Doctor and the TARDIS. I'm not saying that another composer can't be equally good, but I do think he's been essential to the success of the show since 2005. I'm not attacking any other composer, and I'm not attacking DW TOS, but nor do I want Gold replaced. Get over it.
Sci, I get where you're coming from. I really do. But I would amend your statement -- Gold is an important piece of RTD Who. Perhaps even an essential piece of RTD-Who. But he's not essential to Doctor Who as a whole, and the revived series will continue with or without him.

If change isn't something you want from your television, Doctor Who isn't the series for you. *shrug*
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Old October 7 2009, 06:06 PM   #17
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Doctor Who needs a composer who can be in the editing room, writing his score, and then matching it, in editing, to the scene.
They don't have the time or money for that.
Nonsense. Thanks to the internet, composers can and do work from their garage, with the stuff e-mailed to them. They don't need to be there. And some composers don't even need a full orchestra. I remember watching a DVD featurette on the guy who composed the music for Wonderfalls. He did it from his garage.

Back to the main question, I only hope whoever they have is at least of the calibre of Gold. Some people don't like his work, but for me he was 100 times better than the dull, unmemorable scores that we had during the original series. I bought a number of the soundtrack albums for the original, and I've only played them maybe once. Except for the Doctor Who Theme and the rare, occasional bit of music, it elevator muzak as far as I was concerned (and I know there are fans of the classic-series composers who will take exception to this; now you know how Gold fans feel when he's cut down). Gold's scores I can listen to over and over again.

If they can get someone who can create such memorable work, then I agree maybe it's time to give someone else a try. If they can't, then I'd say keep Gold.

As for the theme -- and we should make sure we note that we're talking about a new arrangement, as blood would run in the streets of Leeds if anyone suggested a new theme tune -- a new arrangement is a certainty. And some people will love it and some people will hate it. Like I said in another thread, it's a certainty. I'm looking forward to what they come up with.

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Old October 7 2009, 06:20 PM   #18
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Back to the main question, I only hope whoever they have is at least of the calibre of Gold. Some people don't like his work, but for me he was 100 times better than the dull, unmemorable scores that we had during the original series. I bought a number of the soundtrack albums for the original, and I've only played them maybe once. Except for the Doctor Who Theme and the rare, occasional bit of music, it elevator muzak as far as I was concerned..... Gold's scores I can listen to over and over again.

If they can get someone who can create such memorable work, then I agree maybe it's time to give someone else a try. If they can't, then I'd say keep Gold.
^This. I actually bought the soundtrack season 2 because I LIKED the music that much. I'm not big into soundtracks as a rule, especially for TV, but Gold's work just added one more special element to the show.

I hope he stays. I wouldn't mind, however, if they made the theme less-drum heavy.
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Old October 7 2009, 06:26 PM   #19
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I think Gold is as important to nuWho as the Doctor and the TARDIS. I'm not saying that another composer can't be equally good, but I do think he's been essential to the success of the show since 2005. I'm not attacking any other composer, and I'm not attacking DW TOS, but nor do I want Gold replaced. Get over it.
Sci, I get where you're coming from. I really do. But I would amend your statement -- Gold is an important piece of RTD Who. Perhaps even an essential piece of RTD-Who.
I believe that's what I said, only I used the phrase "nuWho."
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Old October 7 2009, 06:30 PM   #20
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I think Gold is an incredibly talented composer. His music is very well-written, and it's a joy to listen to.

However, I think that his music, as good as it is, is equally very wrong for Doctor Who: His scores tend to dominate all other elements of the scenes, shrieking "DAAAA! DAAAAA! DAAAAA! I'M MURRAY GOLD! MURRAY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS, MOTHERFUCKERS? LISTEN TO THIS! THIS SHIT IS GETTING REAL!" Case in point: "Partners in Crime." Decent enough episode, despite the "just missed 'em" gag being entirely too played out. But Gold's music did. Not. Fucking. Stop. It was all over the place. His "epic" cues have the same problem, and then suddenly the Doctor is no longer a mysterious traveler but a Jerry Bruckheimer action hero.

Given how much everything else is changing, I'd really like to see a fresh "voice" in the composer's seat.
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Old October 7 2009, 06:40 PM   #21
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I think Gold is an incredibly talented composer. His music is very well-written, and it's a joy to listen to.

However, I think that his music, as good as it is, is equally very wrong for Doctor Who: His scores tend to dominate all other elements of the scenes, shrieking "DAAAA! DAAAAA! DAAAAA! I'M MURRAY GOLD! MURRAY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS, MOTHERFUCKERS? LISTEN TO THIS! THIS SHIT IS GETTING REAL!"
Which is exactly what I want out of my Doctor Who.
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Old October 7 2009, 06:56 PM   #22
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Gold's good, but he is very derivative (anyone who can't hear echos of certain famous film scores in his work really needs to wash their ears out). When his music is used well its brilliant, but the new series does have an awful habit of ramping up the soundtrack too much for my tastes (and I know I'm not alone here). When used properly though his stuff is ace. I can't imagine Moffat is going to change absolutely everything about the show, but maybe he feels the ime is right for a new composoer...heck for all we know gold might not want to do it anymore.
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Old October 7 2009, 07:33 PM   #23
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I believe that's what I said, only I used the phrase "nuWho."
Yes, but RTD-Who is no longer synonymous with "nuWho."
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Old October 7 2009, 09:12 PM   #24
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I can't imagine Moffat is going to change absolutely everything about the show, but maybe he feels the ime is right for a new composoer...heck for all we know gold might not want to do it anymore.
Or he could go back to having a couple of composers using different styles to suit different stories?
Wish I coud be bothered to check who scored Jekyll, the upcoming Moffat/Gatiss Sherlock Holmes, or even did the Press Gang theme tune....
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Old October 7 2009, 09:46 PM   #25
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Re: New Composer and Theme for Series Five?

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I can't imagine Moffat is going to change absolutely everything about the show, but maybe he feels the ime is right for a new composoer...heck for all we know gold might not want to do it anymore.
Or he could go back to having a couple of composers using different styles to suit different stories?
Wish I coud be bothered to check who scored Jekyll, the upcoming Moffat/Gatiss Sherlock Holmes, or even did the Press Gang theme tune....
Yes... Different composers. Keep Gold, but add Bear McCreary (sp?), Michael Giaccino and whoever scored Futurama to the mix please.
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Old October 7 2009, 10:33 PM   #26
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Of the classic series composers, I always thought Dudley Simpson was excellent. His work is suitably atmospheric without ever managing to distract you from the story.
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Old October 8 2009, 02:04 AM   #27
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End of Gridlock = best use of music in TV EVER

I'd hate to see Gold go. I really love his compositions.

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Old October 9 2009, 08:26 PM   #28
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I think Gold is an incredibly talented composer. His music is very well-written, and it's a joy to listen to.

However, I think that his music, as good as it is, is equally very wrong for Doctor Who: His scores tend to dominate all other elements of the scenes, shrieking "DAAAA! DAAAAA! DAAAAA! I'M MURRAY GOLD! MURRAY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS, MOTHERFUCKERS? LISTEN TO THIS! THIS SHIT IS GETTING REAL!" Case in point: "Partners in Crime." Decent enough episode, despite the "just missed 'em" gag being entirely too played out. But Gold's music did. Not. Fucking. Stop. It was all over the place. His "epic" cues have the same problem, and then suddenly the Doctor is no longer a mysterious traveler but a Jerry Bruckheimer action hero.

Given how much everything else is changing, I'd really like to see a fresh "voice" in the composer's seat.

Pretty much this for me. I liked his work, but it's time.
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Old October 10 2009, 03:23 PM   #29
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I don't know. I really think the show is pushing its luck making so many changes at once. Replacing the shows musical 'voice' might really be too much. Maybe bring in another composer next season.

Big Gold fan (probably due to growing up listening to John Williams).
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Re: New Composer and Theme for Series Five?

But, Cutter John, Doctor Who is a series that is defined by change. The actors change. The writers change. The look and feel of the series change. Justin Richards went as far as to say of Doctor Who that "neither the Doctor nor the TARDIS are strictly speaking necessary."

And even if Gold were to stay around for the next season, there's no guarantee that Wenger and Moffat would want the type of music from Gold that RTD wanted. Look at the difference between the first and later seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Same composers, completely different sonic texture, because Bob Justman wanted a lush orchestral sound in the first season and Rick Berman wanted something muted, like sonic wallpaper, in later seasons.

Food for thought.
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