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Old September 28 2009, 02:47 PM   #61
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Re: Cleopatra's Needle - Design Proposals

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"Portmanteau"... That's not a bombastic way to say that borg is a word derived from the blending of the two words cybernetic organism .
Bombastic? No, it's a standard linguistics term. And I wouldn't say a term coined by Lewis Carroll is bombastic.

The usage of the word "portmanteau" in this sense first appeared in Lewis Carroll's book Through the Looking-Glass (1871), in which Humpty Dumpty explains to Alice the coinage of the unusual words in Jabberwocky:
"‘Slithy’ means ‘lithe and slimy’... You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word"
"‘Mimsy’ is ‘flimsy and miserable’ (there's another portmanteau ... for you)".
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Old September 28 2009, 05:13 PM   #62
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"Portmanteau"... That's not a bombastic way to say that borg is a word derived from the blending of the two words cybernetic organism .
Bombastic? No, it's a standard linguistics term. And I wouldn't say a term coined by Lewis Carroll is bombastic.

The usage of the word "portmanteau" in this sense first appeared in Lewis Carroll's book Through the Looking-Glass (1871), in which Humpty Dumpty explains to Alice the coinage of the unusual words in Jabberwocky:
"‘Slithy’ means ‘lithe and slimy’... You see it's like a portmanteau—there are two meanings packed up into one word"
"‘Mimsy’ is ‘flimsy and miserable’ (there's another portmanteau ... for you)".
No- I was clearly refering to YOUR use of the word "portmantea" as being bombastic, not that the word itself is bombastic...

And thank you for providing a definition that was pretty much the same as mine.

Ps. It also means: a large suitcase... But that bit of humour was clearly lost on you.
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Old September 28 2009, 06:11 PM   #63
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^I know what a portmanteau is in the original sense, but it wasn't relevant to my response. I don't see why you'd assume I'm incapable of understanding your reference just because I didn't bother to quote it. Especially since you'd see, if you bothered to follow the link I provided, that the article in question overtly acknowledges that sense of the word and explains why Carroll used it as an analogy.

And I still don't understand why you'd think I was being bombastic for using a linguistic term in its proper definition. "Portmanteau word" is not a high-flown, pretentious substitute for a more routine technical term; it is the routine technical term. It's simply the correct word to use for that particular concept. I'm not aware of any other. I'm genuinely bewildered that you find it objectionable.


Anyway, can we get back on topic now? DEWLine, I wanted to remind you that the text describes Cleopatra's Needle as containing a "compact lounge" for the crew (see p. 125). I describe "the team" sitting in the lounge, implying it's able to hold at least half a dozen people. I don't see anything on your deck plans that could serve as a lounge.
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Old September 29 2009, 05:20 AM   #64
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I think I may now have some space on deck one available for it with the gangway/stairs and lift moved off to either side of the passageway.
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Old September 29 2009, 11:02 PM   #65
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Re: Cleopatra's Needle - Design Proposals

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I think I may now have some space on deck one available for it with the gangway/stairs and lift moved off to either side of the passageway.
You know, IDK if this could/would apply here, but a lounge of that size could indeed be quite small. If we're going with a ship with only 2 or so decks, I might adopt a small space similar to the small lounge on the upper level of a 747, with a small spiral staircase leading down to the bottom deck, to save space.

Again, IDK if this applies... I'm just thinking out aloud.
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Old September 29 2009, 11:06 PM   #66
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Here is a photo illustrating my concept. I think if you slap a wall-mounted VOY-style replicator in here, it would be about the right size to accommodate 12 people.

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Old September 29 2009, 11:11 PM   #67
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I was thinking of something like that for the deck one replicator galley on the starboard side. Not sure that the upholstering would be as decorous as this, though.
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Old September 29 2009, 11:13 PM   #68
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^

LOL... well, aye, the decor would be Federationy, lol... but yeah, you get my general idea.
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Old September 30 2009, 12:42 AM   #69
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^I know what a portmanteau is in the original sense, but it wasn't relevant to my response. I don't see why you'd assume I'm incapable of understanding your reference just because I didn't bother to quote it. Especially since you'd see, if you bothered to follow the link I provided, that the article in question overtly acknowledges that sense of the word and explains why Carroll used it as an analogy.

And I still don't understand why you'd think I was being bombastic for using a linguistic term in its proper definition. "Portmanteau word" is not a high-flown, pretentious substitute for a more routine technical term; it is the routine technical term. It's simply the correct word to use for that particular concept. I'm not aware of any other. I'm genuinely bewildered that you find it objectionable.


Anyway, can we get back on topic now? DEWLine, I wanted to remind you that the text describes Cleopatra's Needle as containing a "compact lounge" for the crew (see p. 125). I describe "the team" sitting in the lounge, implying it's able to hold at least half a dozen people. I don't see anything on your deck plans that could serve as a lounge.
I apologize for offending you. I was trying to convey a certain point and I was obviously not clear enough for you to understand. I certainly did not expect you to respond as you did.

Again, I apologize.

And yes, I agree, we can indeed get back on topic now.

I think that long distance passenger trains might serve well as some inspiration. They're great at cramming in lots of people into small spaces for long periods.
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Old September 30 2009, 12:57 AM   #70
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And making the passengers like it!
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Old September 30 2009, 05:11 PM   #71
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I don't know ... these examples of lounges for jets and passenger trains have some appeal, but they're also designed for accommodating passengers for hours possibly stretching out to a couple days. Better models might be found in yachts, submarines, destroyers, or freighters where crew and passengers live for days to weeks. And even then, they're usually able to go out on deck and stare at blue skies and open seas, a luxury completely unavailable to passengers on a three month journey in space.

Let's not cramp these poor souls unnecessarily. We don't want to drive Picard mad before he gets to command the Enterprise or the Borg will kill us all!
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Old September 30 2009, 07:35 PM   #72
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I don't know ... these examples of lounges for jets and passenger trains have some appeal, but they're also designed for accommodating passengers for hours possibly stretching out to a couple days. Better models might be found in yachts, submarines, destroyers, or freighters where crew and passengers live for days to weeks.
If you go Googling for ideas, "boat interiors" is probably a better search parameter than "yacht interiors". Choosing "yacht" will get the high-end luxury stuff, not the more functional and working end of the spectrum that we'd see on the Needle.
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Old September 30 2009, 08:49 PM   #73
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Well, the thing is... this ship is quite small. As such, I would envision a "lounge" on such a ship being no larger than either something like on a 747, or maybe a small breakroom, at a work location... just enough for a few people to unwind for a few minutes... a table and a few seats, a replicator, and maybe a viewscreen or table game. Again, just my take.
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^Which is why Psion's comparison to a submarine is apt.

As for the breakroom analogy, I think that doesn't quite hold, because the designers of a breakroom in a workplace assume that it's not going to be your only recreational facility for months on end.
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^Which is why Psion's comparison to a submarine is apt.

As for the breakroom analogy, I think that doesn't quite hold, because the designers of a breakroom in a workplace assume that it's not going to be your only recreational facility for months on end.
Yeah, that's a very good point, about the breakroom analogy, and I agree 100% with it. I think what I was trying to articulate with that comparison, though, is that such a lounge on this small a ship would probably not be as extravagant as a lounge on the Enterprise-D or a full starship... it would be pretty bare-bones... some chairs/seats, a table, and a replicator... since space is at a premium here.
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