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Old September 24 2009, 04:40 AM   #16
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Re: Why is command wearing blue?

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Actually, the uniforms in this movie are fairly easy to understand:

Red suit: Cadet
TOS uniform: Starfleet crew
Black uniform: Starfleet Admiral (normal)
Pike's uniform in the end scene which is the same as Kirk's admiral uniform from TMP: Starfleet Admiral (alternate, probably the full-dress variant)

As for the Kelvin, we know that Blue = command, White = medical. There are two others - greenish/gray, and gold - so one of those is probably sciences and the other would be operations. Not that big of a deal, really.
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Old September 24 2009, 05:41 AM   #17
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Re: Why is command wearing blue?

Haven't read all the replies, but the thought hit me right away that the Command uniforms on the Kelvin were based on the fact ALL of Archer's crew (and the crew of its sister ship, late in the ENT series) were BLUE.

Notice that during the TOS film period, the uniforms were all red, and nearly a century later (TNG) when Starfleet went back to a tri-color system, red became the Command color, apparently left over from the earlier (TOS movie) red uniforms.

Makes sense that on the Kelvin, the Archer-era uniform color became the color for Command.

Twenty years later, the three colors used on the Archer-era stripes were used as the basis for the uniform colors on starships, and maybe elsewhere.
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Old September 24 2009, 07:18 AM   #18
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Actually, the uniforms in this movie are fairly easy to understand:

Red suit: Cadet
TOS uniform: Starfleet crew
Black uniform: Starfleet Admiral (normal)
Pike's uniform in the end scene which is the same as Kirk's admiral uniform from TMP: Starfleet Admiral (alternate, probably the full-dress variant)
I don't think that's quite correct. Pike was wearing the black uniform while he was still just a captain, and Spock was also wearing the black uniform as a lieutenant commander. I think the black uniform is for all officers assigned to Starfleet Academy as instructors and/or recruits and/or whatever else.
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Old September 24 2009, 08:04 AM   #19
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Re: Why is command wearing blue?

May it be possible that even though Robau was the commander of the ship (so traditionally the colour would be gold) that instead that since the ship may of been a science vessel, he was wearing the colours of the science department (also indicating a speciality on his part)?
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Old September 24 2009, 08:34 AM   #20
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Well, let's be fair here. Was there any piping of a different color on Robau's/Kirk's uniforms to show the command department colors of 2233? Which...since they were gold during the time of ENTERPRISE 70-80 years before and were also gold during both classic TOS and the new timeline...was probably gold? I could never make out any piping on the blue Kelvin uniforms what with all the lens flare, bright explosions and rapid camera movements during the opening battle sequence.
The piping was black on the uniforms.

The colors were:

Blue: Command
Goldish Green
Grey
White: Medical
Red, too - tactical. The engineer wore green.
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Old September 24 2009, 09:31 AM   #21
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Re: Why is command wearing blue?

Well, I don't recally seeing many details. It was pretty dark those first few scenes. But IIRC, Kevin was supposed to be a science vessel right? (Atleast I think I head something along those lines.) Maybe Robau, bad ass as he was, had a blue uniform because he was a science officer.

As an example, Spock was a part of the command staff, but he wore blue. Scotty was as well, and wore red.

Perhaps something is different in regards to becoming captain, but no one really knows.
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Old September 24 2009, 06:26 PM   #22
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Re: Why is command wearing blue?

Was it just me, or was Admiral Pike's new dress uniform at the very end of the movie somewhat reminiscent of the one Kirk wore at the start of TMP? The one with the slate-grey and white colors and sorta dull overall impact? I wonder if Abrams and his people saw scenes from TMP and thought it'd be a good idea to do a partial riff on the first Kirk outfit from that film.
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Old September 24 2009, 07:47 PM   #23
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Well, I don't recally seeing many details. It was pretty dark those first few scenes. But IIRC, Kevin was supposed to be a science vessel right? (Atleast I think I head something along those lines.) Maybe Robau, bad ass as he was, had a blue uniform because he was a science officer.
On the official site, it says in the ship's dossier that Kelvin-type vessels were primarily used for survey missions, so that could easily fit with having it crewed and commanded by people with science backgrounds.

On the other hand, the security officer was also wearing blue, so who knows?
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Old September 24 2009, 07:49 PM   #24
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Well, I don't recally seeing many details. It was pretty dark those first few scenes. But IIRC, Kevin was supposed to be a science vessel right? (Atleast I think I head something along those lines.) Maybe Robau, bad ass as he was, had a blue uniform because he was a science officer.
On the official site, it says in the ship's dossier that Kelvin-type vessels were primarily used for survey missions, so that could easily fit with having it crewed and commanded by people with science backgrounds.

On the other hand, the security officer was also wearing blue, so who knows?
That was the security officer? I suppose it works, I'd certainly stop dead in my tracks if he/she/it was chasing me down the corridor, either that or run head first into a wall out of fear.

Gotta say, they did a great job with the aliens in this one.
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Old September 24 2009, 08:11 PM   #25
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Well, I don't recally seeing many details. It was pretty dark those first few scenes. But IIRC, Kevin was supposed to be a science vessel right? (Atleast I think I head something along those lines.) Maybe Robau, bad ass as he was, had a blue uniform because he was a science officer.
On the official site, it says in the ship's dossier that Kelvin-type vessels were primarily used for survey missions, so that could easily fit with having it crewed and commanded by people with science backgrounds.

On the other hand, the security officer was also wearing blue, so who knows?
Actually, I remember reading on the Intel site that he/she/it was the navigator, and hence would be in the command/navigation division.
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Old September 24 2009, 08:28 PM   #26
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There was a thread months ago, before the movie hit the theaters (try a search for "The Kelvin's uniforms" if you want to check it out.) I think most people just figured that 25 years was long enough that a couple of changes in uniform design and departmental color scheme could have taken place between then and the time of the episodes of the original series.
Mmm, sorry. I did search but didn't find it. I try not to be duplicatin' the old threads. I wanted to start a thread on the medical chick with weird eyes. I thought she was really cool. Of course, there's no image yet on Memory Alpha so I can't illustrate... you know who I mean. So I searched the forums for "weird eyes" and I couldn't find anything. Then I realized it probably wasn't much of a topic anyway. I mean, what's there to say.
"Medical doctor lady had weird eyes."
"yah, that was cools111"
"I didn't like her weird eyes, they weren't cannon[sic], Matt Jefferies says [link]"... blah blah etc. That's what that thread would be like.

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Same reason command wore red in TNG: it looked better on the actors.
Er, this is the only theory that explains it. I hear a security dude was wearing blue, too... and those pics from TMP are interesting as well. The Kelvin-era uniforms did look very cool.
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Old September 24 2009, 08:45 PM   #27
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Well, I don't recally seeing many details. It was pretty dark those first few scenes. But IIRC, Kevin was supposed to be a science vessel right? (Atleast I think I head something along those lines.) Maybe Robau, bad ass as he was, had a blue uniform because he was a science officer.
On the official site, it says in the ship's dossier that Kelvin-type vessels were primarily used for survey missions, so that could easily fit with having it crewed and commanded by people with science backgrounds.

On the other hand, the security officer was also wearing blue, so who knows?
Actually, I remember reading on the Intel site that he/she/it was the navigator, and hence would be in the command/navigation division.
Nope, security officer. The Intel "boldly go" site is no longer up, but you can see the caps made from it here and here.

Memory Alpha also has her down as Security Officer:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Alnschloss_K%27Bentayr
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Old September 24 2009, 08:51 PM   #28
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On the official site, it says in the ship's dossier that Kelvin-type vessels were primarily used for survey missions, so that could easily fit with having it crewed and commanded by people with science backgrounds.

On the other hand, the security officer was also wearing blue, so who knows?
Actually, I remember reading on the Intel site that he/she/it was the navigator, and hence would be in the command/navigation division.
Nope, security officer. The Intel "boldly go" site is no longer up, but you can see the caps made from it here and here.

Memory Alpha also has her down as Security Officer:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Alnschloss_K%27Bentayr
Hmm... maybe they got it wrong, then. He was in what is classically the navigator's seat, and the guy in red who is listed as the "helmsman" on the Intel site (the young guy on the captain's right) seemed to be doing the shooting/defensive moves. That's the same seat that Kirk's weapons officer sat at during the Kobayashi Maru test.
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Old September 24 2009, 08:59 PM   #29
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There was a thread months ago, before the movie hit the theaters (try a search for "The Kelvin's uniforms" if you want to check it out.) I think most people just figured that 25 years was long enough that a couple of changes in uniform design and departmental color scheme could have taken place between then and the time of the episodes of the original series.
Mmm, sorry. I did search but didn't find it. I try not to be duplicatin' the old threads.
I don't see it being a problem having a new thread. (The old thread is here if you want to have a look.)

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I wanted to start a thread on the medical chick with weird eyes. I thought she was really cool. Of course, there's no image yet on Memory Alpha so I can't illustrate... you know who I mean. So I searched the forums for "weird eyes" and I couldn't find anything. Then I realized it probably wasn't much of a topic anyway. I mean, what's there to say.
"Medical doctor lady had weird eyes."
"yah, that was cools111"
"I didn't like her weird eyes, they weren't cannon[sic], Matt Jefferies says [link]"... blah blah etc. That's what that thread would be like.
I liked her, too, and it seems now that a few photos and scans of press clippings have been added to the "Starfleet doctor" actress' website (weren't there last time I checked) so it may be worth taking a look (I've linked to the non-Flash version.)
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I liked her, too, and it seems now that a few photos and scans of press clippings have been added to the "Starfleet doctor" actress' website (weren't there last time I checked) so it may be worth taking a look (I've linked to the non-Flash version.)
From your link (its off of a scanned article, so I can't copy/paste, nor can I link the image):
Stunning actress Sonita Henry has become an obssession form millions of Star Trek fans (Trekkies or Trekkers depending on the level of insanity)
Too dang funny.
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