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Old September 18 2009, 10:03 PM   #76
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Caleuche: Anything with cheese is no insult for a Dutch guy, but I have to agree your second post was more useful. Anyway: The Shuttle Command Center (Notch) is one of the things that is on the list of reconsideration.
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Old September 18 2009, 11:11 PM   #77
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Didn't we see the Palais de la Concorde in "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost"?

At least, it was a wide shot of a futuristic Paris, with a pretty awesome-lookin' building in the foreground (which I took as the Palais), and the Eiffel Tower in the background....
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Old September 19 2009, 12:03 AM   #78
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Didn't we see the Palais de la Concorde in "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost"?

At least, it was a wide shot of a futuristic Paris, with a pretty awesome-lookin' building in the foreground (which I took as the Palais), and the Eiffel Tower in the background....
Nope. That building bore no resemblance to what the Palais is described as being -- it wasn't the least bit cylindrical, and it wasn't on the site of the present-day Place de la Concorde. I don't think we need to take that building to be where President Jaresh-Inyo was working any more than we need to take an establishing shot of the Washington Monument in The West Wing to indicate where President Bartlet works.

Besides, "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" was written nine years before A Time to Kill was published.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:23 AM   #79
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I don't think we need to take that building to be where President Jaresh-Inyo was working any more than we need to take an establishing shot of the Washington Monument in The West Wing to indicate where President Bartlet works.
As I recall, though, establishing shots preceding White House scenes in TWW were shots of the White House.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:33 AM   #80
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I don't think we need to take that building to be where President Jaresh-Inyo was working any more than we need to take an establishing shot of the Washington Monument in The West Wing to indicate where President Bartlet works.
As I recall, though, establishing shots preceding White House scenes in TWW were shots of the White House.
Most of them were, but there were plenty of establishing shots of the Washington Monument with voice-overs of the characters speaking in the scene that the shot would then cut to.
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Old September 19 2009, 02:05 AM   #81
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^Okay. That works for me.

So...what's your guess as to what that building was?
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Old September 19 2009, 02:44 AM   #82
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^Okay. That works for me.

So...what's your guess as to what that building was?
No clue. It's a big city and that scene had plenty of tall buildings; big cities tend to be full of such things. Perhaps it's the Federation Central Bank? A residential complex? Central office for the Federation News Service or United Press Interstellar or Bolarus and You? Home office for Amnesty Interstellar or Sentients Rights Watch? Corporate headquarters for the United Dilithium Company? Or for General Duotronics? The Earth office of Janus Mining? A Federation government office? A United Earth government office? Office space belonging to Undeieela's Secret? Deneva-Universal Enterprises Ltd.? Federation Duranium? The East Coridan Trading Company? Federation Express? The Federation Displaced Persons Agency? The Earth Cargo Service? The Shratha Transportation Company?
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Old September 19 2009, 07:36 AM   #83
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um, isn't the palais over a ROAD?

As for the call sign issue, if Queen Elizabeth gets her own ship of state (before Blair decided it cost too much), then why shouldn't Bacco? Perks of the job and all that!
the Royal Yacht was called 'Britannia', so you suggesting 'Federation'?

Personally I see Paris/Federation/Whatever One looking more like a big sleek SR-71-like spacecraft with blue and white paint job. Less starfleet influence - like I said my post there was far too much starfleet in star trek. It nice to see the cilivans get alook in from time to time.
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Old September 19 2009, 08:23 AM   #84
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um, isn't the palais over a ROAD?
It's on the site of the present-day Place de la Concorde, a major public square in Paris. Memory Beta has an excellent ariel photo of the Place here.

As for the call sign issue, if Queen Elizabeth gets her own ship of state (before Blair decided it cost too much), then why shouldn't Bacco? Perks of the job and all that!
the Royal Yacht was called 'Britannia', so you suggesting 'Federation'?
Erm, once again, A Singular Destiny seems pretty explicit. The President's ship is called Paris One, and as it's italicized, that strongly implies that it's a ship's name rather than a call sign.
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Old September 19 2009, 09:11 AM   #85
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Caleuche: Anything with cheese is no insult for a Dutch guy, but I have to agree your second post was more useful.
Cool! (about both parts of the comments!)

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Perhaps it's the Federation Central Bank? ?
That has to be the easiest office job in the Federation!
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um, isn't the palais over a ROAD?
Yeah, my bad.
'and of course, the Champs Elysees, which ran under the cylindrical 15 story structure...'
Pg 15, Articles of the Federation

Though I think the French prefer to think of the Champs Elysees as an 'Avenue' to Road!

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the Royal Yacht was called 'Britannia', so you suggesting 'Federation'?
No I was merely stating in response to Christophers comment of Air Force One just being a callsign, that some nations have dedicated ships/craft of state.
Federation! would be a terrible name for a vessel as it sounds like an off-broadway play.

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Old September 19 2009, 09:58 AM   #86
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Perhaps it's the Federation Central Bank? ?
That has to be the easiest office job in the Federation!
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Depends on which side of the "does the Federation have money?" debate you fall on. I've outlined numerous instances where the Federation is depicted as possessing a monetary system. And if nothing else, the obliteration of numerous worlds by the Borg has likely re-introduced to the Federation economy the state of scarcity; I wouldn't be surprised if money makes a "comeback," so to speak, in the wake of the Borg Invasion.

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the Royal Yacht was called 'Britannia', so you suggesting 'Federation'?
No I was merely stating in response to Christophers comment of Air Force One just being a callsign, that some nations have dedicated ships/craft of state.

Federation! would be a terrible name for a vessel as it sounds like an off-broadway play.
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Old October 19 2009, 01:41 AM   #87
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Titan, da Vinci and though its a space station and not a ship I am in love with Vanguard.
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Old October 19 2009, 06:45 AM   #88
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And oh, speaking of Serenity, I realize there'd have to be a medical bay too. Not sure where that would go. Maybe close to the labs and engine compartment in case of accidents. And next to the transporter stage, in case someone gets hurt on a dig and needs to be beamed up and tended to quickly. (A small civilian ship might not have the fancy "Beam directly to sickbay" setup that a Starfleet vessel would have.)
My uncle is a crewman on a large fishing boat (Brazil) with a crew of forty, the ship doesn't have a medical bay, instead they have two large suitcases locked up in the gallery. Full of medical gear and drugs. Would a tiny starship have a dedicated a sick bay?


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Old October 19 2009, 02:06 PM   #89
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^I'm sure your uncle's fishing boat isn't away from port for months at a time. If someone on that boat is seriously hurt, the contents of those large suitcases can be used to keep them stable until the boat can get into port and call an ambulance. We're talking about a spaceship that's travelling far, far beyond known space and can't rely on having a friendly port nearby. So yes, it would need fully equipped medical facilities.

Anyway, if you want to discuss the design of Cleopatra's Needle, there's a thread for it in Trek Art now.
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