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Old August 26 2009, 05:42 AM   #2431
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I'm watching your video, and just started, but I love Tapestry. Awesome Awesome episode.
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Old August 26 2009, 03:53 PM   #2432
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Makes sense. When I was going out with my old English girlfriend
Your girlfriend is malt liquor?
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Old August 26 2009, 05:17 PM   #2433
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I always wondered if the strong emotion that was dampened was actually sexual arousal, which seemed to be what short-circuited her brain in "Human Error." If it was sexual arousal that was the problem, it is easier to see why previous strong emotions she experienced (such as the grief she felt when One died) didn't bring about the same result.
But that makes no sense in-story -- drones would be a lot less likely to cause trouble with sexual arousal than with, say, strong remorse or grief. Also, she collapsed when they were fighting, and she looked pretty upset. If that was sexual arousal, I'm not sure what that says about Seven. I'm not saying that's not what the writers of that episode intended, but it doesn't add up for me.
Yeah. It was while they were fighting--about whether to continue their relationship or not. Mea culpa.
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Old August 26 2009, 07:40 PM   #2434
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Makes sense. When I was going out with my old English girlfriend
Your girlfriend is malt liquor?
She was more of an Irish cream sort of girl.

Edit: Wait, no, that's not what I meant! She genuinely liked Irish cream liqueur.
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Old August 26 2009, 11:34 PM   #2435
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The problem was that what Seven wanted was kind of boring. Which was actually interesting from a character development point of view, but not very entertaining to watch[/B].
Disagree. I know it`s only my opinion, but I always found it very entertaining to watch Chakotay and Seven together. For me it`s a absolutely understandable reaction that Seven falled in love with Chakotay. I like the scenes with both of them.
And I also liked all the other scenes where we see Seven interacting with the cast.

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Old August 27 2009, 02:47 AM   #2436
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Author, Author (*****)

I'm surprised too, I remembered disliking this episode.

The episode starts out by taking a comical look at a Living Witness style Voyager, and I must admit that I found this to be quite enjoyable. Janew-... sorry, Jenkins shooting a patient in cold blood, En Kimble the hypochondriac and Lt Marseilles the porn-star, good fun is had by all. And the best part is that I actually found myself relating and understanding both sides of the argument, Shmully was clearly being stubbourn but that's just his way, and he was bringing up some valid points. The idea that he views his mobile emmiter as a giant burden he must carry with him everywhere is interesting, and it is something I had not considered before. Tom's method of getting his point across is not only a perfect way to deflate Shmully's ego, it is also very much in character for Tom.

Then comes the second half of the episode which works as Voyager's version of Measure of a Man but with a copyright twist, and Shmully sees himself as fighting for his people rather than just for himself. While the courtroom scenes were a little rushed, it is probably best that it is kept that way so as not to hold back the energy this episode has, and there is no need to go into detail proving that Shmully is a person because the audience is already well aware that he is. The ending also works very well, Shmully doesn't make legal history by having all holograms defined as people, or even himself, but he does win a small victory and opens the doors for those future debates. This is how civil rights are won in the real world, you keep making small victories until equality becomes the norm.

I was also pleased with the scenes of the Voyager crew having conversations with family members back on Earth, they proved quite effective. I know that Voyager isn't going to have a proper finale with these important character reunions, but at least I get to see what they might have been like here. Even Harry Kim gets a good scene.

So, does the episode deserve five stars? Maybe not, but I've not seen a more suitable candidate since Living Witness; I came away from this episode having enjoyed it and with surprisingly few qualms. I could deduct a point for being derivative of Measure of a Man, but instead I'll give it a pass. Consider it my parting gift to Voyager.
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Old August 27 2009, 04:12 AM   #2437
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Loved Author Author up until the final scene.

I know showing the other EMH Mark 1's doing manual label was a followup to Lifeline and a nice bit of continuity to throw in.

But that scene really bothers me. 1st, doesn't Starfleet have anything better to do with these guys?

Also I don't really get why they would even be interested in the Doctor's story. These are "out of the box" EMH's, that have been reprogrammed to do manual labor. They haven't had the Doctor's experiences. Their reaction on seeing the story should be "Interesting. If you're through wasting my time, please state the location where you'd like me to dig next"

This is another annoying reference to the idea that the Doctor was "alive" from the very beginning, which I just don't believe at all.
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Old August 27 2009, 05:38 AM   #2438
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It took them seven damn years but they finally shut Neelix up.
Q2 gets ****1/2 stars for this scene alone.
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Old August 27 2009, 03:05 PM   #2439
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Author, Author is probably what I consider the last gem of Voyager's run. Granted, I'm biased since I aspire to be a writer myself, but still. I agree entirely with TheGodBen's analysis. Shame they didn't call this the Doctor's final focus episode and gave us Renaissance Man as one more 'spotlight' episode for him...
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Old August 27 2009, 03:32 PM   #2440
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Author, Author is probably what I consider the last gem of Voyager's run.
Agreed. It was very good. There is another enjoyable episode still coming, though (Rennaissance Man).
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Old August 27 2009, 06:06 PM   #2441
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I find Author Author to be quite overrated. It is entertaining enough but deserving of no more than 3 stars out of 4.

I had seen so many alternate characters throughout Trek and most recently with "Living Witness" that it doesn't do all that much for me here. Also the Doc's rights arc had worn out its welcome a year earlier if not before then with episodes like TTDS and Virtuoso.

Also this episode tries to evoke TNG's classic "The Measure of a Man" but fails to have the gravitas, the intelligence, the compelling drama or the emotional resonance. And Barclay and Admiral Paris was wasted in their cameo appearances--a shame really given how close to the end the show is.
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Old August 27 2009, 06:46 PM   #2442
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I thought the end scene of Author, Author quite disturbing. To me, it came off as if the Federation has created its own class of slaves.
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Old August 27 2009, 07:18 PM   #2443
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Author, Author is probably what I consider the last gem of Voyager's run.
Agreed. It was very good. There is another enjoyable episode still coming, though (Rennaissance Man).
Oh wow. That took me by a surprise to say the least.

AA's first half was decent, second half sucked. RM must be one of the worst of season 7. Only Human Error and Endshame are worse than it.
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Old August 27 2009, 11:58 PM   #2444
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I thought the end scene of Author, Author quite disturbing. To me, it came off as if the Federation has created its own class of slaves.
I thought that too, then I decided that that was the point, we were supposed to stop and think.

What bothered me was - it's the 24th Century and they're using hammers to mine ore...
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Old August 28 2009, 02:58 PM   #2445
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Friendship One (**)

An interesting idea for an episode but one which ends up being dull, pointless and dumb. It starts out well enough, I like the idea that the naivety of early humanity's desire to make contact with alien races inadvertently caused a disaster on another world. The scenes of various crewmembers walking through the devastation with no idea that humanity is partly to blame is not only interesting, but it opens up a lot of potential. However, rather than exploring the legitimate grievances these aliens have with humanity, the episode makes the aliens insane conspiracy nuts who accuse humans of some asinine plot to invade the planet, and the real issue is almost side-stepped entirely. That's disappointing.

Then the episode devolves into your standard hostage situation where the goldshirt we haven't seen in six years is the only person to die. I'm not the sort of person who is opposed to characters being killed off, I believe when it is done right it adds to the drama of a series, but Carey's death is pointless, and it has no emotional resonance because the guy was clearly brought back purely to kill him. When I first saw this episode all those years ago I didn't even remember him, he meant that little to me.

Then Voyager solves the problem using magic torpedoes, and Janeway reflects upon Carey's death:

CHAKOTAY: The urge to explore is pretty powerful.
JANEWAY: But it can't justify the loss of lives, whether it's millions or just one.
Um, what? Did this scene just undermine all of Star Trek? Janeway, contradict yourself:

JANEWAY: We seek out new races because we want to, not because we're following protocols. We have an insatiable curiosity about the universe.
SEVEN: Your Chief Engineer and Security Officer were nearly lost today. That is unacceptable.
JANEWAY: To you, maybe, but not to me or my crew. Our experience with the Mari gave us an insight into a culture we've never encountered.
SEVEN: But that is irrelevant.
JANEWAY: No. It's how we gain knowledge.
SEVEN: We are in disagreement.
JANEWAY: Good. I dread the day when everyone on this ship agrees with me. I thank you for your opinion but our mission is not going to change. Dismissed.
Torpedoes: 96/38

We saw two torpedoes being fired, then Janeway orders at least one more volley so that brings a total of four torpedoes (although explosive sounds indicate there might have been a lot more).
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