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Old August 19 2009, 11:47 PM   #16
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Es muy bien.
Actually, could you help me with something? I've never read a Trek novel (meaning to, but haven't found the time, maybe this will finally make me do it ), and I don't want to start a new thread in TrekLit.
You mentioned A Time for War, a Time for Peace as a prequel to Articles. Should I read it first? Should I read the whole A Time... series?
I'm also interested in the DS9 relaunch and Destiny. I gather Destiny is after Articles, but what about DS9? Will reading one first decrease my enjoyment of the other?

Sorry for the OT.
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Old August 20 2009, 01:40 AM   #17
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Es muy bien.
Actually, could you help me with something? I've never read a Trek novel (meaning to, but haven't found the time, maybe this will finally make me do it ), and I don't want to start a new thread in TrekLit.
You mentioned A Time for War, a Time for Peace as a prequel to Articles. Should I read it first? Should I read the whole A Time... series?
I'm also interested in the DS9 relaunch and Destiny. I gather Destiny is after Articles, but what about DS9? Will reading one first decrease my enjoyment of the other?

Sorry for the OT.
No worries!

We'll consider DS9 separately.

You do not need to read the entire A Time to... miniseries. As you may know, the premise behind A Time to... is that it's about the year leading up to Star Trek: Nemesis, exploring the changes in the lives of the Enterprise crew that led up to that film. While there are four duologies, each ATT novel is designed to be readable by itself.

If you're interested in Federation politics, I would recommend starting earlier than War/Peace. This would be my recommended reading list:

* A Time to Kill by David Mack
* A Time to Heal by David Mack
* A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido


I would recommend these four novels as a good jumping-on point for modern Trek novels.

From there, if you have a few choices you can make. After AotF, if you'd like, you can jump straight into the Destiny trilogy. However, you might find that your reading experience is enhanced if you read a few of the post-NEM TNG and Titan novels, as the new Enterprise-E and Titan crews play important roles in DEST.

If you do want to read the post-NEM TNG and TTN novels, I'd recommend the following:

Post-NEM TNG:

* Q & A by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Before Dishonor by Peter David
* Greater Than the Sum by Christopher L. Bennett

Of those three, if you want just one, I'd say Greater Than the Sum, which is designed to lead into DEST and is by itself truly wonderful.

TTN:

* Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
* Orion's Hounds by Christopher L. Bennett

And then from there, move on to the DEST trilogy:

* Destiny, Book I: Gods of Night by David Mack
* Destiny, Book II: Mere Mortals by David Mack
* Destiny, Book III: Lost Souls by David Mack


Post-DEST, I'd recommend for someone primarily interested in Federation politics:

* TNG: Losing the Peace (except epilogue) by William Leisner
* A Singular Destiny by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* TNG: LtP epilogue


There is also a post-DEST TTN and VOY novel each that might be worth your time, but they don't deal with politics as much:

* TTN: Over A Torrent Sea by Christopher L. Bennett
* VOY: Full Circle by Kirsten Beyer

Now, I just threw a lot of titles at you. Don't get intimidated by that. They were released over the course of five years, and they cover a period from about August 2379 (A Time to Kill) to April 2381 (A Singular Destiny). Go slow with them. The ones I would consider most essential are in bold.

Now, DS9.

The post-"What You Leave Behind" DS9 novels -- unofficially called the DS9 Relaunch -- began being published in 2001, so there are a fair number of DS9 Relaunch novels out there. This is a list of them, in reading order. The DS9 Relaunch starts three months after "WYLB" (March 2376) and go up to early 2377 so far.

There's an upcoming DS9 Relaunch novel that will jump from 2377 to 2382, catching DS9 up with the post-Destiny TNG, TTN, and VOY novels. So that might be a good jumping-on point, but it won't be published for a year or so.

In the meantime, these are the DS9 Relaunch novels that have been published so far, in editor-recommended reading order:

* The Lives of Dax ed. Marco Palmieri (anthology)
* A Stitch in Time by Andrew J. Robinson
* Avatar, Book One by S.D. Perry
* Avatar, Book Two by S.D. Perry
* Section 31: Abyss by David Weddle & Jeffrey Lang
* Gateways: Demons of Air and Darkness by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Gateways: What Lay Beyond: "Horn and Ivory" by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Mission: Gamma, Book One - Twilight by David R. George III
* Mission: Gamma, Book Two - This Gray Spirit by Heather Jarman
* Mission: Gamma, Book Three - Cathedral by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
* Mission: Gamma, Book Four - Lesser Evil by Robert Simpson
* Rising Son by S.D. Perry
* The Left Hand of Destiny, Book One by J.G. Hertzler & Jeffrey Lang
* The Left Hand of Destiny, Book Two by J.G. Hertzler & Jeffrey Lang
* Unity by S.D. Perry
* Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Volume One
* Cardassia: The Lotus Flower by Heather Jarman
* Andor: Paradigm by Heather Jarman
* Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Volume Two
* Trill: Unjoined by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
* Bajor: Fragments and Omens by J. Noah Kim
* Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Volume Three
* Ferenginar: Satisfaction Is Not Guaranteed by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* The Dominion: Olympus Descending by David R. George III
* Warpath by David Mack
* Fearful Symmetry by Olivia Woods
* The Soul Key by Olivia Woods
* The Never-Ending Sacrifice by Una McCormack

The novel trilogy Star Trek: Terok Nor also tied into the DS9 Relaunch, showcasing the history of the Occupation of Bajor, from its origins to its resolution. These were:

* Day of the Vipers by James Swallow
* Night of the Wolves by S.D. Perry & Britta Dennison
* Dawn of the Eagles by S.D. Perry & Britta Dennison

There are plenty of other really good Trek novels out there, but this should be a good start-up point. But, again, those first four I listed above are the ones I would recommend starting out with.

Hope that helps!
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Old August 20 2009, 02:25 AM   #18
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From my exchanges on FFFans.net (RWED spcifically), I've learned that the society(s) as depicted in Trek is a fantasy Socialist Utopia, doomed to economic collapse due to lack of competition, and unrealistic because of lack of sufficent reward for personal achievement.

Lack of vision is a plague of this particular era, clearly.
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Old August 20 2009, 02:38 AM   #19
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Hope that helps!
Does it help? You just solved my reading needs for an entire year!
Just one question. Are there spoilers for the DS9 relaunch in these other novels? I'm rewatching DS9 and I planned to read the DS9 books only after I finish the rewatch. So you reckon it's safe to start with your recommended non-DS9 novels before that?
Anyway, thanks a million!

and unrealistic because of lack of sufficent reward for personal achievement.
Yeah, sure, if you believe MONEY, MONEY and EVEN MORE MONEY! is the only sufficient reward... Tells you more about the person who thinks that than about Trek.
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Old August 20 2009, 02:56 AM   #20
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Yeah, sure, if you believe MONEY, MONEY and EVEN MORE MONEY! is the only sufficient reward... Tells you more about the person who thinks that than about Trek.
Agreed. "He who dies with the most toy wins" will eventually morph into "They who die with the most loving family is remembered."
I believe it will happen. It MUST happen for us to survive.
Colour me an optimist.
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Old August 20 2009, 06:37 AM   #21
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Wow, thanks for your participation Sci! I've learned a lot from your posts, very appreciated!

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If you're interested in Federation politics, I would recommend starting earlier than War/Peace. This would be my recommended reading list:

* A Time to Kill by David Mack
* A Time to Heal by David Mack
* A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido


I would recommend these four novels as a good jumping-on point for modern Trek novels.
And thank you for the reading list!
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Old August 20 2009, 09:54 AM   #22
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Hope that helps!
Does it help? You just solved my reading needs for an entire year!
Just one question. Are there spoilers for the DS9 relaunch in these other novels?
In the ATT/TNG/TTN/Destiny set of novels I gave you, I can think of exactly three spoilers for the DS9 Relaunch. I'll give them to you right now behind the cut.



The Trek novelists do a good job of simultaneously linking everything, yet keeping things separate.

I'm rewatching DS9 and I planned to read the DS9 books only after I finish the rewatch. So you reckon it's safe to start with your recommended non-DS9 novels before that?
I would reckon, yes.

Anyway, thanks a million!
No problem! Happy to help!

and unrealistic because of lack of sufficent reward for personal achievement.
Yeah, sure, if you believe MONEY, MONEY and EVEN MORE MONEY! is the only sufficient reward... Tells you more about the person who thinks that than about Trek.
My attitude has always been and remains that for the Federation economy to function, it would have to be a combination of capitalist and socialist concepts. Of course, in all fairness, that's based on my belief that neither Capitalism nor Socialism is particularly functional or moral in their purest forms.
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Old August 20 2009, 11:52 AM   #23
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Yeah, sure, if you believe MONEY, MONEY and EVEN MORE MONEY! is the only sufficient reward... Tells you more about the person who thinks that than about Trek.
Agreed. "He who dies with the most toy wins" will eventually morph into "They who die with the most loving family is remembered."
I believe it will happen. It MUST happen for us to survive.
Colour me an optimist.
This will only happen the the "post-scarcity" society mentioned earlier in the thread.
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