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Old August 1 2009, 03:13 PM   #16
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Re: DC Comics' Star Tek (1st Series)

Thanks for all the kind words and trip down memory lane. I joined DC after the series launched and began working on it as assistant editor with issue #8 or so. The revolution of the series and relationship with Paramount was a fascinating experience.
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Old August 1 2009, 03:22 PM   #17
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also, another issue I'd recommend from the first series is "Retrospect." It was Annual 3, written by Peter David, easily one of his best stories he's ever written. I dont want to spoil anything though, for people who have discovered these classic comics through the CD
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Old August 1 2009, 04:21 PM   #18
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I also loved the Klingon War, and MU story arcs. They were both interesting, well written stories, that did a great job of building off of the movies.
I just have to keep reminding myself that these came out long before TNG.
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Old August 1 2009, 04:27 PM   #19
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I also attribute the comic books for turning me into a real fan.

I watched TOS in reruns, but one day I went into the comic shop and picked up issue #33 of the first DC run and that flicked the switch.

I remember being very sad when issue #57 was the last one...as without the internet and whatnot I ahd no way to find out that was their last issue...I just kept showing up at the comic book shop for a few weeks.
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Old August 1 2009, 04:29 PM   #20
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Thanks for all the kind words and trip down memory lane. I joined DC after the series launched and began working on it as assistant editor with issue #8 or so. The revolution of the series and relationship with Paramount was a fascinating experience.

Hey wow! You were the editor right, if I remember correctly. It's really neat to be able to say thank you for all that you did for that comic back in the day!
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Old August 1 2009, 06:16 PM   #21
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I really enjoyed that series, for the most part, though I remember being ticked off by certain events preceding the events of Star Trek IV. Still, I remembered the Marvel comic a couple years earlier and was thrilled by how much better the DC comic was.

I eventually became (briefly) one of the letterhacks who wrote in to the letter column, and had a few letters published. Heck, I even got a neat freebie out of it: Bob sent out advance photocopies of the first issue of the initial DC TNG miniseries to get some letters that could be printed before the miniseries was over. (I still have my copy, Bob.)
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Old August 1 2009, 06:20 PM   #22
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I discovered the second series as it was coming out (through a chance encounter with the first issue of "The Trial of James T. Kirk"), and that awakened my nascent Star Trek fandom...

My appreciation for Peter David's writing on that title (and some confusing references to the first series in the letter column) led me to track down his work on the previous run, which (being at the end of that run) had further references to previous adventures, along with a bunch of well-established supporting characters, which meant I "had" to go back even further, until I'd picked up just about every back issue.

I'm with everyone else who admires how well the comics "fit" in between the movies--which is all the more impressive when you consider how they had to adapt on the fly as the movies came out. Because of the relative lack of tie-ins set in this period (and the Okudachron's 2285/2286/2287 dating for ST III-V), I often think of the comics as what "really" happened during this period, since spacing out those movies actually makes sense that way.

I'd love to pick up the DVD-ROM and travel back down memory lane myself (it's easier than cracking open the boxes with the issues themselves, and it would allow me to fill in those last few gaps), but Amazon is not my friend on this one, so I still have to find a willing accomplice with a US shipping address to help me out. :/

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I've never seen the appeal of "Double Blind." I don't find the story particularly interesting. None of the characters "felt" right to me. The story had an awkward tone that was off-putting to me at thirteen. At thirty-six, I look back on the story as an exercise in fanwank. (Seriously, we just had to see Duane's novel characters in the comics? Seriously?)
Although some of that setup strains credulity (in addition to The Big Six, we're supposed to buy that there are also a whole set of other Lieutenant Commanders and Commanders who had previously served on the Enterprise and just followed their shipmates to Excelsior), I can understand how the story happened, given the tie-in environment of the period.

After all, wasn't Duane the bestselling of the Star Trek novelists at the time? In that sense, it's not so different from having PAD write a New Frontier comic book story...

Also, I suppose it helps if you're really into cats.
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Old August 1 2009, 06:34 PM   #23
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I really enjoyed that series, for the most part, though I remember being ticked off by certain events preceding the events of Star Trek IV. Still, I remembered the Marvel comic a couple years earlier and was thrilled by how much better the DC comic was.

I eventually became (briefly) one of the letterhacks who wrote in to the letter column, and had a few letters published. Heck, I even got a neat freebie out of it: Bob sent out advance photocopies of the first issue of the initial DC TNG miniseries to get some letters that could be printed before the miniseries was over. (I still have my copy, Bob.)
One name that sticks out from the Hailing Frequencies Open page was Kiril Kundurazief...if I remember correctly.
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Old August 1 2009, 06:35 PM   #24
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Could someone please provide a link for the Star Trek comics CD-ROM?
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Old August 1 2009, 06:42 PM   #25
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Actually a DVD-ROM:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Comp...9148274&sr=8-1

Hey, it's on sale for 30 bucks. I paid 40 when it first came out, and that was with a discount.
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Old August 1 2009, 06:55 PM   #26
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I still have all my star trek comics, which is why i didnt buy the CD. I have the entire first marvel run, first DC run(TOS/TNG), second DC run(TOS/TNG), entire second marvel run, all of the wildstorm stuff, up to the IDW stuff. Granted, some of the older issues from back in the day or no longer in the best condition, but i still read them all the time. I know just about every panel by heart.
Here's my personal top ten story list, including material from all the above:
10.Retrospect(DC I, TOS Annual#3)Incredible Scotty story
9. The Way of the Warrior(DC II, TNG#33-36) Great story where Q turns the crew into klingons to prove how terrible they are as a species.
8. Klingons: Blood Will Tell(IDW) best story yet from IDW in my opinion
7. Timecrime(DC II, TOS#53-57)Great time travel story where the Klingons and the federation are allies in Kirk's time. The timeline has to be fixed
6. The Worst of Both Worlds(DC II, TNG#47-50). The Enterprise falls into a parallel universe where the Borg won.
5. The Modala Imperative(DC II, 8 issue mini) A cross-over story involving both TOS and TNG.
4. The Trial of James T. Kirk(DC II, TOS#10-12) This story was built up from the preceding 9 issues, involving the repurcussions of Kirk's actions involving the klingons in star trek III.
3. Star Trek: Early Voyages(Marvel II, entire series) I can't pick a favorite story with this series, the whole thing was so good.
2. War and Madness(DC II, TNG#71-75)
Great story involving the tholians, the borg and the klingons, set shortly after "All Good Things,,,"
1. The Mirror Universe Saga(DC I, TOS#9-16)
IMO, the best star trek comic ever written
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Old August 2 2009, 05:36 AM   #27
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I LOVED this series. I can remember picking up the first issue at the neighbourhood convenience store. I was 13. I went on to enjoy all of the comics produced by DC.
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Old August 2 2009, 03:23 PM   #28
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I was thrilled when Len Wein reintroduced Arex and M'Ress to the post-ST IV stories, loved the way Peter David was developing them up to the hiatus, and then devastated when M'Ress had to be redrawn as an antelope woman (from Issue #1 of Series II).

M'Ress (below left, b/w) was redrawn (original art was previewed in "Amazing Heroes" magazine #170, Aug 1989, page 99), and replaced by Lieutenant M'yra (below right, in colour), a reddish hominid woman with antelope horns and a devil's tail, in the first issue of Series II.



I can't recall - was the M'yra character used as Sulu's romantic interest the same way M'ress was (or did any romance actually develop with M'ress - it's been awhile)?

Would the relationship had that resulted in Demora have necessarily contradicted any romance during the first DC run, or are the comics compatible with The Captain's Daughter?
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Old August 2 2009, 03:34 PM   #29
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also, another issue I'd recommend from the first series is "Retrospect." It was Annual 3, written by Peter David, easily one of his best stories he's ever written. I dont want to spoil anything though, for people who have discovered these classic comics through the CD
Yeah, I thought "Retrospect" was head and shoulders above anything else in the first DC series; the reasons being the space David had to tell the story and the freedom he had (it contained almost no action).

At the time the series first came out, I didn't pick it up, having felt burned by Marvel's Star Trek comic a few years earlier. My feelings at the time were that the art wasn't any better and that the original characters they'd introduced were uninteresting.

What made DC's first run better than Marvel's had a lot to do (again) with freedom and space. I think by that time, the standard comic length had increased by 5 pages, and DC was able to reference episodes from the TV series as much as they wanted, unlike Marvel. So the DC run had much more intriguing plots, although the dialog wasn't much better. At that time, comic book scripters were still obliged to end every statement with an exclamation point - the only exceptions being if they wanted to use multiple exclamation points!!!

I think that rule had evaporated by the time Peter David came on board. I thought the quality shot up with his arrival, although his work on the 2nd DC series is superior, IMO.
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Old August 2 2009, 04:05 PM   #30
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I can't recall - was the M'yra character used as Sulu's romantic interest the same way M'ress was (or did any romance actually develop with M'ress - it's been awhile)?
I believe M'yra was shown pursuing Sulu rather aggressively, with Sulu being intimidated and resisting. With M'ress, it was more mutual, I think.

Would the relationship had that resulted in Demora have necessarily contradicted any romance during the first DC run, or are the comics compatible with The Captain's Daughter?
Demora was an adult in 2293, so she would've already been a teenager at the time of the DC comics. The Captain's Daughter showed Demora becoming an intermittent part of Sulu's life starting before TWOK, but he wasn't in any kind of romantic relationship at the time, having had no contact with Demora's mother after their initial tryst. The main inconsistency is that TCD doesn't assume a great deal of time elapses between the movies, so I think they'd be hard to reconcile in those terms.


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At that time, comic book scripters were still obliged to end every statement with an exclamation point - the only exceptions being if they wanted to use multiple exclamation points!!!
That was because the low quality of the printing process at the time often made periods disappear, so comics writers had to use exclamation points for visual clarity. (This is why a certain comics author is always credited as Elliot S! Maggin. He got so much in the habit of using exclamation points for periods that he absently wrote his byline that way once, and upon seeing it, DC editor Julius Schwartz was amused and immediately issued the dictate that Maggin's name was to be written that way from that point on.)

The blurriness of the printing process (and the use of all caps) also led to a rule forbidding any comic book writer from using the word FLICK.
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