Whatever happened to Starship Exeter? - Page 13

CaptainKen · July 9 2009, 03:12 PM

Dennis wrote:

Here's a shot I'm fond of:

I thought that might be too much of a spoiler, Dennis

That's why I snapped my pic a few seconds before that discovery. The scream was excellent, wasn't it? An excellent scene, for sure!

Admiral Buzzkill · July 9 2009, 04:01 PM

CaptainKen wrote:

I thought that might be too much of a spoiler, Dennis

I thought about that, yeah.

The teaser has been online since 2005. Although our, uh, "extended release schedule" means that the whole episode is not yet available, it strikes me as kind of ridiculous to try to hide "spoilers" for a segment that's been in distribution for four years.

Maurice · July 9 2009, 10:02 PM

Dennis wrote:

Thanks. That image of the saucer was what we called the "Planet Of The Apes" or "Statue Of Liberty" shot when we came up with the idea; we just put it at the beginning of the show instead of the end.

Jimm and I just got to talking about "what could we do that they never did on TOS but that they might have done?" that would still fit in to that milieu. This was one of those things.

I never had that specific discussion with Jimm, but I was thinking the same thing when overhauling "The Atlantis Invaders". I made a mental list of things, visual and plot-wise that I always wanted to see on TOS and never did. There was a space battle in the script, but I think I was successful in giving it a twist that made it pretty unlike any aired Trek episode in how it played out.

CaptainKen · July 10 2009, 08:06 AM

I never had that specific discussion with Jimm, but I was thinking the same thing when overhauling "The Atlantis Invaders". I made a mental list of things, visual and plot-wise that I always wanted to see on TOS and never did. There was a space battle in the script, but I think I was successful in giving it a twist that made it pretty unlike any aired Trek episode in how it played out,

You have me curious, DS9Sega... do you think we'll ever see "The Atlantis Invaders"? Are you saying you helped write it? Was any filming ever done on it? Are they any future plans with Jimm?

So curious....

Maurice · July 10 2009, 10:51 AM

CaptainKen wrote:

I never had that specific discussion with Jimm, but I was thinking the same thing when overhauling "The Atlantis Invaders". I made a mental list of things, visual and plot-wise that I always wanted to see on TOS and never did. There was a space battle in the script, but I think I was successful in giving it a twist that made it pretty unlike any aired Trek episode in how it played out,

You have me curious, DS9Sega... do you think we'll ever see "The Atlantis Invaders"? Are you saying you helped write it? Was any filming ever done on it? Are they any future plans with Jimm?

So curious....

It was written with the original intent of the shipboard scenes being shot concurrently with The Tressaurian Intersection, but the scenes were not shot as they had to focus on getting TTI wrapped.

As to writing, I wrote it. Not the original version that used to be on the ExeterStudio site, but a complete rewrite. The script was in what I like to call a draft 2.5 state. The shipboard scenes were final, but the planteside scenes were going to get a thorough revision.

I don't feel comfortable speculating on what others might do. I will say that "Atlantis" was a bigger episode than TTI in terms of numbers of sets and costumes and characters, and likely even VFX (and this is after I scaled it back from the original concept), and I think perhaps overly ambitious for a fan film, but there was some neat stuff in it, and what I hoped would be a romance for the Captain that would be adult and not cringe-worthy.

As for me, it's been too many years and I've gone onto other projects and done some short films on my own and probably wouldn't do any more work on it even if they wanted to shoot it. I'd just hand over all my notes and say "good luck!"

Sharkey · July 10 2009, 02:49 PM

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I don't feel comfortable speculating on what others might do. I will say that "Atlantis" was a bigger episode than TTI in terms of numbers of sets and costumes and characters, and likely even VFX (and this is after I scaled it back from the original concept), and I think perhaps overly ambitious for a fan film, but there was some neat stuff in it, and what I hoped would be a romance for the Captain that would be adult and not cringe-worthy."good luck!"

I underlined the part that every fan filmmaker should forget. At least, temporarily. LOL

What makes fan films so amazing is that they should not exist. Five years ago ALL of it would have been "overly ambitious" or even impossible. So I'll chime in here and say thanks to the producers, cast, and crew at Exeter, and at Hidden Frontier and New Voyages and Farragut and all the others who have given of their time and talent to do the impossible so that we who watch can enjoy Star Trek once again.

Maurice · July 11 2009, 06:05 AM

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CaptainKen wrote:

I underlined the part that every fan filmmaker should forget. At least, temporarily. LOL...

Dunno if I would agree with that. Overreaching can make it difficult to get the film made at all. That's different than saying low ambitions...it means make sure you don't aim for something unattainable given the fact that you have to rely on people's free time and volunteer labor.

Trekwatcher · July 14 2009, 04:48 PM

Sounds like "Atlantis Invaders" is just pie in the sky. I am just hoping we see the end of TTI.

CaptainKen · July 14 2009, 08:07 PM

As exciting as "Atlantis Invaders" sounds, at this point, I think it's best to be eager to see the finale of "The Tressaurian Intersection." Then when fans everywhere recognize what an incredible, amazing episode of Trek that TSI really is, then we'll be able to talk about sequels.... Right, Dennis?

Admiral Buzzkill · July 14 2009, 08:13 PM

CaptainKen wrote:

...when fans everywhere recognize what an incredible, amazing episode of Trek that TSI really is, then we'll be able to talk about sequels.... Right, Dennis?

Sure. I'm getting out of the Star Trek "business" for now, though.

I think I lean a little in the "reach for the impossible" direction - it was impossible to make "The Tressaurian Intersection" under the circumstances that we did. Therefore it will have taken us a little over five years to complete it.

Noname Given · July 15 2009, 12:35 AM

Dennis wrote:

CaptainKen wrote:

...when fans everywhere recognize what an incredible, amazing episode of Trek that TSI really is, then we'll be able to talk about sequels.... Right, Dennis?

Sure. I'm getting out of the Star Trek "business" for now, though.

I think I lean a little in the "reach for the impossible" direction - it was impossible to make "The Tressaurian Intersection" under the circumstances that we did. Therefore it will have taken us a little over five years to complete it.

I do have a honest question though (seriously):

When TTI was first released, the plan was to release one part per week over four weeks. Now, I can certainly understand the odd delay, but I would love to know what changed so drastically in post production in that the producers originally thought it was that close to completion, when in fact it wasn't?

Admiral Buzzkill · July 15 2009, 01:58 AM

I can't begin to cover that for a variety of reasons, but among other things the very optimistic - okay, naive - post-production schedule didn't allow for any major delay.

For example, a single visual element that required a change in artists necessitated starting from ground zero on a shot that we thought was fairly well along. That pushed back release of Act One some months - at which point, additions to the families of a couple of the producers required their curtailing the time they were investing in the project for a while. The whole plan - again, naive - was lined up like dominoes and when the first couple fell...well, you know dominoes.

No, that doesn't begin to explain the length of time this has taken. There's a lot more having to do with unanticipated needs for reshoots, and a really strong drive on the part of several of the principals to raise the bar on what they deliver with each new segment. And then a whole bunch of other stuff. But it's the best sort-of-little-bit-of-an-answer I can give you right now.

Gep Malakai · July 15 2009, 02:30 AM

Dennis wrote:

[A]nd there's no one as valuable as the person who's willing to do whatever needs to be done.

I'm that kind of person.

...Are you paying?

Admiral Buzzkill · July 15 2009, 02:38 AM

Sadly...no. Not on "Exeter," anyway.

CaptainKen · July 15 2009, 04:03 PM

Dennis wrote:

Sure. I'm getting out of the Star Trek "business" for now, though.

I think I lean a little in the "reach for the impossible" direction - it was impossible to make "The Tressaurian Intersection" under the circumstances that we did. Therefore it will have taken us a little over five years to complete it.

Dennis, I sure do appreciate you getting in these forums and representing Starship Exeter so well. You have helped keep this project alive for many fans who would've given up on it had it not been for your posts.

Do you think there's any chance of the final act being released on or before July 20th, 2009, to commemorate the first moon landing in 1969? That would be special, wouldn't it? You can let Jimm know I suggested it. It's gotta be close now, right?

July 14 2009, 04:48 PM	#188
Trekwatcher Fleet Captain Location: Talos IV. Taking Tango out for a ride in the countryside	Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter? Sounds like "Atlantis Invaders" is just pie in the sky. I am just hoping we see the end of TTI.

July 14 2009, 08:07 PM	#189
CaptainKen Lieutenant Commander Location: Toronto, Canada	Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter? As exciting as "Atlantis Invaders" sounds, at this point, I think it's best to be eager to see the finale of "The Tressaurian Intersection." Then when fans everywhere recognize what an incredible, amazing episode of Trek that TSI really is, then we'll be able to talk about sequels.... Right, Dennis? __________________ Logic is the beginning of wisdom... not the end.

July 15 2009, 01:58 AM	#192
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter? I can't begin to cover that for a variety of reasons, but among other things the very optimistic - okay, naive - post-production schedule didn't allow for any major delay. For example, a single visual element that required a change in artists necessitated starting from ground zero on a shot that we thought was fairly well along. That pushed back release of Act One some months - at which point, additions to the families of a couple of the producers required their curtailing the time they were investing in the project for a while. The whole plan - again, naive - was lined up like dominoes and when the first couple fell...well, you know dominoes. No, that doesn't begin to explain the length of time this has taken. There's a lot more having to do with unanticipated needs for reshoots, and a really strong drive on the part of several of the principals to raise the bar on what they deliver with each new segment. And then a whole bunch of other stuff. But it's the best sort-of-little-bit-of-an-answer I can give you right now. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

July 15 2009, 02:38 AM	#194
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter? Sadly...no. Not on "Exeter," anyway. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

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