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Old July 11 2009, 08:08 PM   #181
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Re: Misc - Several issues - Misc Posters Read!

I don't think we can really resolve anything until TEH BABA weighs in on this issue.
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Old July 11 2009, 08:54 PM   #182
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Yep, they are. FrontLine, masochist that he is, went back through years of posts, and condensed them all into one. I think he did it during an unplanned bout of sobriety.
I see. Well, this should be interesting.

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No, they all seemed pretty familiar to me.

Plus, to be fair, that's a pretty loose set of rules. Some of them actually say what people can do, rather than what they can't.

If TNZ really was a Wild West saloon, the equivalent rules would be:

1. No pissing on the floor.

2. Do not shoot the piano player.

3. You may grab the barmaid's ass, but expect to get slapped for it.

Etc.
I think we should go with those rules. Except for the first one.
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Old July 11 2009, 09:05 PM   #183
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Personally I think the main rule we need instating is "Don't be an arsehole" and if there's any problems deal with them as they arise, not pre-emptively try and squash problems.
You are correct IMO.

The long-standing issue underlying the regularly scheduled contortions around rules on this board (this episode is just the latest in a long line) stems from a reliance on creating a "fair" rules-based consitution for the board with long-winded avenues of appeal, as well as the pretence that we are a PG-13 board.

Stripping the rules down to "don't be an arsehole", choosing mods carefully enough so there's a reasonable & plausible mix of opinions on the definition of an arsehole, acknowledging that the vast majority of our posters are above 18 (or at least above 15/16) and so should be able to take a bit of rough & tumble, and having a "dumb threads" forum to send threads started in clear bad faith or threads which are just moronic beyond belief. would go a long way to creating an easier to manage and also more enjoyable environment. Trouble is, those measures are not in the board's tradition and philosophy and so would be very difficult to institute.
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Old July 11 2009, 11:37 PM   #184
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Just read the user names for the last few pages of the thread. All either TNZ regulars, or in a few cases (TLS is the first example I saw, hard to give too many examples since TNZ banning itself is rather hush-hush and not subject to annoucement or review) those that have been kicked out or left on their own. And hell, the quotes posted? Garak, Squiggy, etc.

If you want to make it more than just that one thread, can go into the recent Obama thread, and identify more gems from TLS and Gertch. There are plenty more threads to play this game with, but let's not get bogged down in semantics, hmm? Seems pretty clear it's just a TNZ overflow problem. Posters that have been kicked out of TNZ (or couldn't handle being held to the fire for their posts) have migrated here, and set up shop. Their regular 'enemies' then follow them in (can't let them "get away with anything", of course), and the same game starts up here instead.

And not to defend any of those individual quotes, but they seem a lot worse pulled out of context the way T'Bonz posted them. Most were clearly fairly relaxed jokes, until you show just that one snippet, without the rest of the thread. I sincerely doubt Squiggy is going to rape anyone's face, for example. Bonz would have a good point if that was said to an unsuspecting poster here, but when it was Squiggy and garak going back and forth, don't think either was upset by it. And if just reading that upsets people so badly, the internet must be a scary place indeed...
I've posted in Misc. for years and if I break a rule I'm fine with being called on it. And I have my own moderator angel that keeps me in line anyway.

You however make fun of mentally and physically handicapped people in your signature line. Are they any more acceptable a group to make fun of?

You also violate the #1 rule of TNZ with your every post. Not that I expect anything to be done about it though.
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Old July 12 2009, 03:43 AM   #185
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You however make fun of mentally and physically handicapped people in your signature line. Are they any more acceptable a group to make fun of?

You also violate the #1 rule of TNZ with your every post. Not that I expect anything to be done about it though.
Actually I took it to mean he was making fun of people who believe internet debates have any importance.

Which one is Rule #1?
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Old July 12 2009, 08:53 AM   #186
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You know, I got to ask:

Avatars...Does that fall under the political hot button issue? I took my avatar down a while ago, but I really have to wonder about skirting around the issue.
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Old July 12 2009, 08:57 AM   #187
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You know, I got to ask:

Avatars...Does that fall under the political hot button issue? I took my avatar down a while ago, but I really have to wonder about skirting around the issue.
I wouldn't know without seeing the avatar in question or at least getting a description of it. You can post it here if you like.

Considering TLS's current avatar, I can't imagine yours would be worse. That's not a challenge to out-do him by the way.
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Old July 12 2009, 09:03 AM   #188
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You know, I got to ask:

Avatars...Does that fall under the political hot button issue? I took my avatar down a while ago, but I really have to wonder about skirting around the issue.
I wouldn't know without seeing the avatar in question or at least getting a description of it. You can post it here if you like.

Considering TLS's current avatar, I can't imagine yours would be worse. That's not a challenge to out-do him by the way.
Naaa, it was the McCain, Palin one but I took it down too because it wasn't relevant anymore.

But my question still stands, since hot topic issues or political/controversial subjects are off the books, does that mean avatars as well? Because that can stir up a lot of crap as well.
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Old July 12 2009, 09:08 AM   #189
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Naaa, it was the McCain, Palin one but I took it down too because it wasn't relevant anymore.

But my question still stands, since hot topic issues or political/controversial subjects are off the books, does that mean avatars as well? Because that can stir up a lot of crap as well.
I'm sure the Mods watch for that, though. A troll is going to find any and every way to troll someone without being noticed by the staff. If not posts themselves, then avatars, signatures, locations and user titles.

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Old July 12 2009, 09:20 AM   #190
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Naaa, it was the McCain, Palin one but I took it down too because it wasn't relevant anymore.

But my question still stands, since hot topic issues or political/controversial subjects are off the books, does that mean avatars as well? Because that can stir up a lot of crap as well.
I'm sure the Mods watch for that, though. A troll is going to find any and every way to troll someone without being noticed by the staff. If not posts themselves, then avatars, signatures, locations and user titles.

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Well then why hasn't TLS been removed for the last few avatars he has had since he has been removed from TNZ?
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Old July 12 2009, 09:35 AM   #191
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Re: Politics/Controversial Topics, Game Threads, Misc FAQ - READ THIS!

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Naaa, it was the McCain, Palin one but I took it down too because it wasn't relevant anymore.

But my question still stands, since hot topic issues or political/controversial subjects are off the books, does that mean avatars as well? Because that can stir up a lot of crap as well.
I'm sure the Mods watch for that, though. A troll is going to find any and every way to troll someone without being noticed by the staff. If not posts themselves, then avatars, signatures, locations and user titles.

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Well then why hasn't TLS been removed for the last few avatars he has had since he has been removed from TNZ?
I'm sure they could explain why.
I'm not privy to what they discuss.

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Old July 12 2009, 09:38 AM   #192
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I'm sure the Mods watch for that, though. A troll is going to find any and every way to troll someone without being noticed by the staff. If not posts themselves, then avatars, signatures, locations and user titles.

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Well then why hasn't TLS been removed for the last few avatars he has had since he has been removed from TNZ?
I'm sure they could explain why.
I'm not privy to what they discuss.

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I would like to know if avatars ARE off limits. I got a few I would like to use but...
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Old July 12 2009, 10:01 AM   #193
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Avatars are a Board-wide issue, not a Misc issue. There are definitely limits to what can be put in Avatars, Sigs and Locations; if there's a problem, Bonz, Spiff or an Admin will ask you to remove it. Or you can PM one of them with exactly what you want to use and let them check it out first.
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Old July 12 2009, 10:05 AM   #194
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I would like to know if avatars ARE off limits. I got a few I would like to use but...
So, what you want me to do is give you a yes or no answer establishing a precedent for a definitive new rule regarding political avatars without seeing exactly what it is you intend to use. Sorry, no.

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Old July 12 2009, 10:17 AM   #195
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I would like to know if avatars ARE off limits. I got a few I would like to use but...
So, what you want me to do is give you a yes or no answer establishing a precedent for a definitive new rule regarding political avatars without seeing exactly what it is you intend to use. Sorry, no.

Locutus, not born yesterday.
What I want to know is, does the political discussion/controversial topics apply to avatars as well?
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