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Old July 11 2009, 03:51 AM   #151
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Yet my WWRJD T-shirts remain unsold. Where's the justice ?
Dark times. Dark times.

All I'm going to say about all this hoopla is:



Hmm. QFT.
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Old July 11 2009, 04:19 AM   #152
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Well I don't think that comments about Jessica Biel being hot are sexist, that was your example, not mine. I don't even care about the Palin thread. I am thinking of the threads that are more focused towards actual posters such as picture threads. My whole point was that it isn't specific instances that make it bad, it is a general atmosphere that just doesn't feel all that welcoming after a while.
On that I agree with you entirely. Trampledamage is right that we need to start a new picture thread with a few rules but it is sad that we have to do that. I think we should maybe focusing on that instead of the Palin thread which, while it had a few crass posts, isn't really the problem here.
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Old July 11 2009, 07:22 AM   #153
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Wow. There's some cracking down here and in TNZ.
I don't know whether this will be good or bad. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


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Old July 11 2009, 07:31 AM   #154
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RJ, im saving that strip. Bloody brilliant
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Old July 11 2009, 09:59 AM   #155
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Heh. Bloom County has a habit of being brilliant.

And that strip was published well over twenty years ago. The problem of hypersensitive Political Correctness has gotten far, far worse since then.
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Old July 11 2009, 10:07 AM   #156
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Wow. There's some cracking down here and in TNZ.
I thought he was just reposting all the known posted TNZ rules for easy reference.

Because, you know, nothing says 'Wild West' like a list of rules.

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Old July 11 2009, 10:25 AM   #157
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Wow. There's some cracking down here and in TNZ.
I thought he was just reposting all the known posted TNZ rules for easy reference.

Because, you know, nothing says 'Wild West' like a list of rules.

Good point. I don't think those were all the original rules, though, were they? I know some of them were completely new to me and I have always paid attention to the rules postings.

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Remember to use a little more common sense when posting.
And to use common sense when reading too. Those were only words on the web.

The thing I find "interesting" about all that is that someone actually complained to the mods I'm back in kindergarten ! This is ridiculous.
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Wow. There's some cracking down here and in TNZ.
I thought he was just reposting all the known posted TNZ rules for easy reference.

Because, you know, nothing says 'Wild West' like a list of rules.

Good point. I don't think those were all the original rules, though, were they? I know some of them were completely new to me and I have always paid attention to the rules postings.

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Yep, they are. FrontLine, masochist that he is, went back through years of posts, and condensed them all into one. I think he did it during an unplanned bout of sobriety.
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Old July 11 2009, 04:02 PM   #160
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^ That'll do it every time.
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Old July 11 2009, 04:14 PM   #161
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Wow. There's some cracking down here and in TNZ.
I thought he was just reposting all the known posted TNZ rules for easy reference.

Because, you know, nothing says 'Wild West' like a list of rules.

Good point. I don't think those were all the original rules, though, were they? I know some of them were completely new to me and I have always paid attention to the rules postings.

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No, they all seemed pretty familiar to me.

Plus, to be fair, that's a pretty loose set of rules. Some of them actually say what people can do, rather than what they can't.

If TNZ really was a Wild West saloon, the equivalent rules would be:

1. No pissing on the floor.

2. Do not shoot the piano player.

3. You may grab the barmaid's ass, but expect to get slapped for it.

Etc.
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To be honest this all seems like a giant load of bollocks to me. There are far worse examples of sexism on this board in general threads about the place than most of these out of context quotes. Sure they might not be as eye catchingly creepy, but there are some whiney, bitchy bastards out there who make threads feel far more uncomfortable continually posting their opinions of stars they don't like.

I've been pulled up by poster a few times for sarcasm that they mistook for seriousness, so I can easily see how out of context comments can be twisted to look bad, hell even in context, but surely in a discussion you can ask what is meant by it before thinking you're dealing with a wanker.

Personally I think the main rule we need instating is "Don't be an arsehole" and if there's any problems deal with them as they arise, not pre-emptively try and squash problems.
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Old July 11 2009, 08:08 PM   #163
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I don't think we can really resolve anything until TEH BABA weighs in on this issue.
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Old July 11 2009, 08:54 PM   #164
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Yep, they are. FrontLine, masochist that he is, went back through years of posts, and condensed them all into one. I think he did it during an unplanned bout of sobriety.
I see. Well, this should be interesting.

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No, they all seemed pretty familiar to me.

Plus, to be fair, that's a pretty loose set of rules. Some of them actually say what people can do, rather than what they can't.

If TNZ really was a Wild West saloon, the equivalent rules would be:

1. No pissing on the floor.

2. Do not shoot the piano player.

3. You may grab the barmaid's ass, but expect to get slapped for it.

Etc.
I think we should go with those rules. Except for the first one.
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Old July 11 2009, 09:05 PM   #165
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Personally I think the main rule we need instating is "Don't be an arsehole" and if there's any problems deal with them as they arise, not pre-emptively try and squash problems.
You are correct IMO.

The long-standing issue underlying the regularly scheduled contortions around rules on this board (this episode is just the latest in a long line) stems from a reliance on creating a "fair" rules-based consitution for the board with long-winded avenues of appeal, as well as the pretence that we are a PG-13 board.

Stripping the rules down to "don't be an arsehole", choosing mods carefully enough so there's a reasonable & plausible mix of opinions on the definition of an arsehole, acknowledging that the vast majority of our posters are above 18 (or at least above 15/16) and so should be able to take a bit of rough & tumble, and having a "dumb threads" forum to send threads started in clear bad faith or threads which are just moronic beyond belief. would go a long way to creating an easier to manage and also more enjoyable environment. Trouble is, those measures are not in the board's tradition and philosophy and so would be very difficult to institute.
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