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Old June 30 2009, 01:14 AM   #16
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Re: The Master and The War Chief - Why can't they be the same guy?

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And it's unlikely we'll see him; The Monk is a character that's off-limits right now. I know of two Short Trips stories that either didn't happen or were drastically altered because Dennis Spooner's estate refused permission for the character's use.
There goes the rumors about Patrick Stewart playing him in one of the specials or series 5.
I've no doubt that BBC Wales can pony up a lot more money than Big Finish can. If RTD wants to use the Monk, it would happen.
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Old June 30 2009, 01:16 AM   #17
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And it's unlikely we'll see him; The Monk is a character that's off-limits right now. I know of two Short Trips stories that either didn't happen or were drastically altered because Dennis Spooner's estate refused permission for the character's use.
There goes the rumors about Patrick Stewart playing him in one of the specials or series 5.
I've no doubt that BBC Wales can pony up a lot more money than Big Finish can. If RTD wants to use the Monk, it would happen.
And just like that, the rumors return to life!

In all seriousness, I would love to see the Monk return, Patrick Stewart or not.
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Old June 30 2009, 01:18 AM   #18
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Re: The Master and The War Chief - Why can't they be the same guy?

I think of the Monk as the Harry Mudd of Doctor Who.

He should never, EVER, be a "serious" threat. More of an amusing and irritating nuisance.
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Old June 30 2009, 01:28 AM   #19
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So, the character isn't owned by the BBC?
Lots of Doctor Who characters and concepts aren't owned by the BBC. Copyright works differently in the UK than it does in the US.

When you write a Star Trek story, all the toys from every episode are in the box for you to use, because Paramount owns it all, lock stock and barrel. When you write a Doctor Who story, there are things that are off-limits because the BBC doesn't have free rein to use them.

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There goes the rumors about Patrick Stewart playing him in one of the specials or series 5.
I've no doubt that BBC Wales can pony up a lot more money than Big Finish can. If RTD wants to use the Monk, it would happen.
And just like that, the rumors return to life!

In all seriousness, I would love to see the Monk return, Patrick Stewart or not.
From what I'm given to understand by several UK sources, Timothy Dalton is portraying the character that Stewart would have played in the specials. Dalton's schedule was free, while Stewart was booked for Waiting for Godot with Sir Ian McKellan.

I tend to doubt that character is the Monk.
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Old June 30 2009, 07:15 AM   #20
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Re: The Master and The War Chief - Why can't they be the same guy?

EMH is right, The Doctor and the War Chief don't recognise one another at first. WC seems to know of the Doctor, commenting at one stage about him having regenerated (altered his appearance or whatever), but neither exhibits the kind of familiarity of doc and master.
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Old June 30 2009, 08:34 AM   #21
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I think of the Monk as the Harry Mudd of Doctor Who.

He should never, EVER, be a "serious" threat. More of an amusing and irritating nuisance.
Don't read the New Adventures novel No Future then, whatever you do...
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Old June 30 2009, 11:29 AM   #22
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^ That's pretty good advice about half of the New Adventures anyway.
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Old June 30 2009, 01:39 PM   #23
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I've no doubt that BBC Wales can pony up a lot more money than Big Finish can. If RTD wants to use the Monk, it would happen.
And just like that, the rumors return to life!

In all seriousness, I would love to see the Monk return, Patrick Stewart or not.
From what I'm given to understand by several UK sources, Timothy Dalton is portraying the character that Stewart would have played in the specials. Dalton's schedule was free, while Stewart was booked for Waiting for Godot with Sir Ian McKellan.

I tend to doubt that character is the Monk.
Ah, that would make sense. Pity Stewart was too busy, but I'm looking forward to Dalton's appearance, Monk or not. Hopefully Stewart will be able to appear later on down the road.
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Old June 30 2009, 02:55 PM   #24
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I think of the Monk as the Harry Mudd of Doctor Who.

He should never, EVER, be a "serious" threat. More of an amusing and irritating nuisance.
Don't read the New Adventures novel No Future then, whatever you do...
I wouldn't dream of it. Can't stand the New Adventures and don't accept canonicity of the various novel ranges in any case.
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Old June 30 2009, 08:06 PM   #25
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Re: The Master and The War Chief - Why can't they be the same guy?

As far as answering the OP's question: well, Terrance Dicks (who created the War Chief and was instrumental in the creation of the Master) says they're two different characters, and I figure he would know.
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Old July 1 2009, 02:25 AM   #26
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The War Chief was destroyed by the Time Lords. I see no way he could have been the Master. If they were the same guy, the Time Lord who warned Doctor #3 about the Master being on Earth would have mentioned it.
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Old July 1 2009, 02:30 AM   #27
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I think the bloke in the suit called the master "an old friend of yours".
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Old July 1 2009, 02:46 AM   #28
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The War Chief was destroyed by the Time Lords. I see no way he could have been the Master.
This is clearly evidence in favor of him being The Master. Remember Planet of Fire? Being killed and showing up later is The Master's MO.

If they were the same guy, the Time Lord who warned Doctor #3 about the Master being on Earth would have mentioned it.
I don't see why this MUST be true. If the Doctor already knew who the Master was, why would he have to specifically mention that he was the War Chief too?
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Old July 1 2009, 03:01 AM   #29
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Because he only stopped by to say that the Master was up to no good.
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The War Chief was destroyed by the Time Lords. I see no way he could have been the Master.
This is clearly evidence in favor of him being The Master. Remember Planet of Fire? Being killed and showing up later is The Master's MO.
Not when he first showed up.

If they were the same guy, the Time Lord who warned Doctor #3 about the Master being on Earth would have mentioned it.
I don't see why this MUST be true. If the Doctor already knew who the Master was, why would he have to specifically mention that he was the War Chief too?
Since the War Chief was directly tied to the events resulting in the Doctor's exile on Earth it only makes sense that he or the Doctor would have mentioned the connection at some point.

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I think the bloke in the suit called the master "an old friend of yours".
The Doctor and the War Chief were never old friends.
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