Borg vs kenetic weapons - Page 4

Jasper Sierra · June 26 2009, 06:10 PM

What about biological weapons? I'm sure they could adapt to a point, but is an adaption to mustard or chlorine gases?

flandry84 · June 26 2009, 06:11 PM

Obviously nobody on the Enterprise ever watched "Alien".
Flame- throwers baby!
None of the away teams ever heard of hand grenades,claymore mines,any of that shit.
When it comes to the Borg,there has been an unending supply of bad,lazy thinking about just how the crew will actually engage their deadliest,most lethal foe.It seems the writers cannot allow Starfleet to look anything like a competent fighting force.
As for shooting at an individual drones shield,shoot at the floor in front of it,the ceiling above,all that exposed machinery...

TheMasterOfOrion · June 28 2009, 02:33 AM

thanks for the responses, some good thoughtful replies here. Seems melee or traditional firearms might pose a problem for one or two drones but overall its something the Borg hivemind can easily deal with. If they start losing numbers then the Borg might consider setting up a force field otherwise its a waste of energy to have their shields up all the time.

Deks · June 28 2009, 10:15 AM

It begs the question as to why would tommy type gun bullets (even with safeties off) even penetrate Borg drones body armor to begin with?
I mean seriously.

Herkimer Jitty · June 28 2009, 10:37 AM

Omega_Glory wrote:

^^^Saying the Borg could adapt to anything is a bit of a stretch.

In boarding party actions, since the Borg have a tendency to allow people to transport onto their ships, an antimatter bomb detonated inside a cube should have a wonderful effect.

Star Trek transporters have the wonderful tendency to be easily jammed or disrupted. If civilizations barely more advanced than 21st century Earth can manage it, it'd be a no-sweat for the Borg.

Captrek · June 28 2009, 01:24 PM

Anticitizen · June 28 2009, 04:27 PM

What Starfleet is lacking is a crowd of cute, fuzzy Ewoks, using sticks and rope and homemade gliding machines as the ultimate weapon against the Borg.

Zameaze · June 29 2009, 09:26 AM

Anticitizen wrote:

What Starfleet is lacking is a crowd of cute, fuzzy Ewoks, using sticks and rope and homemade gliding machines as the ultimate weapon against the Borg.

And if that didn't work, we could turn Jar Jar Binks loose on the Borg.

Omega_Glory · June 29 2009, 07:35 PM

Herkimer Jitty wrote:

Omega_Glory wrote:

^^^Saying the Borg could adapt to anything is a bit of a stretch.

In boarding party actions, since the Borg have a tendency to allow people to transport onto their ships, an antimatter bomb detonated inside a cube should have a wonderful effect.

Star Trek transporters have the wonderful tendency to be easily jammed or disrupted. If civilizations barely more advanced than 21st century Earth can manage it, it'd be a no-sweat for the Borg.

Yes they do, but the Borg seem to allow folks to come aboard with alarming frequency.

Anticitizen wrote:

What Starfleet is lacking is a crowd of cute, fuzzy Ewoks, using sticks and rope and homemade gliding machines as the ultimate weapon against the Borg.

Starfleet ground and boarding party combat doesn't seem to be much more effective really.

Timo · June 29 2009, 09:34 PM

It begs the question as to why would tommy type gun bullets (even with safeties off) even penetrate Borg drones body armor to begin with?

The Borg don't bother to be permanently adapted against phasers. Why would they bother to permanently carry armor? All the protective measures are probably only implemented when needed - so the clumsy flak jacket is only manufactured if somebody decides to throw hundreds of medium-velocity lumps of lead 0.45 inches across at the drones.

Timo Saloniemi

Star Wolf · June 30 2009, 07:49 AM

Omega_Glory wrote:

Herkimer Jitty wrote:

Omega_Glory wrote:

^^^Saying the Borg could adapt to anything is a bit of a stretch.

In boarding party actions, since the Borg have a tendency to allow people to transport onto their ships, an antimatter bomb detonated inside a cube should have a wonderful effect.

Star Trek transporters have the wonderful tendency to be easily jammed or disrupted. If civilizations barely more advanced than 21st century Earth can manage it, it'd be a no-sweat for the Borg.

Yes they do, but the Borg seem to allow folks to come aboard with alarming frequency.

Anticitizen wrote:

What Starfleet is lacking is a crowd of cute, fuzzy Ewoks, using sticks and rope and homemade gliding machines as the ultimate weapon against the Borg.

Starfleet ground and boarding party combat doesn't seem to be much more effective really.

How does the transportation work? Perhaps the same system which filters out know biological hazards prevents the beaming of antimatter or any other WMD without automatic systems activating. Bording parties are let aboard because frankly their assimilation is inevitable as resistance is futile.

Omega_Glory · June 30 2009, 07:44 PM

^^^^Have they specifically stated that Borg ships will block someone else's transport beam if there is something specific being transported. I have never heard this. For that matter, phaser weapons on overload could cause massive damage inside a borg ship or installation. If they did block other transport beams because of destructive materials being transported, they wouldn't allow phasers or other overload capable power sources on board either. But boarding parties do get on board with such destructive weapons.

Given what's been shown on Trek over the years, the Borg would not survive as a space-faring civilization for very long....there's too many life forms who would die for the cause and blow em' up.

Herkimer Jitty · June 30 2009, 07:51 PM

Neither would the Federation, mind you.

They're even more space-stupid than the Borg.

Star Wolf · June 30 2009, 07:53 PM

Only thing is the phaser on overload seems no more dangerous then a hand grenade, The beam in WMD trick only worked a few times on Atlantis and the Wraith assimilated and adapted. For the Borg after many lifetimes of assimilation they may be willing to trade a drone or two but not a cube to gain information

Omega_Glory · July 1 2009, 05:25 PM

But the beam-in WMD was never said to be impossible in Trek so one couldn't rule it out.

June 26 2009, 06:10 PM	#46
Jasper Sierra Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Lawrence, KS	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons What about biological weapons? I'm sure they could adapt to a point, but is an adaption to mustard or chlorine gases? __________________ "...you should never tell the same lie twice." - Garak Custom Promotional Products

June 26 2009, 06:11 PM	#47
flandry84 Captain Location: Sunshine cottage,Lollipop lane,Latveria	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons Obviously nobody on the Enterprise ever watched "Alien". Flame- throwers baby! None of the away teams ever heard of hand grenades,claymore mines,any of that shit. When it comes to the Borg,there has been an unending supply of bad,lazy thinking about just how the crew will actually engage their deadliest,most lethal foe.It seems the writers cannot allow Starfleet to look anything like a competent fighting force. As for shooting at an individual drones shield,shoot at the floor in front of it,the ceiling above,all that exposed machinery... __________________ Bah!

June 28 2009, 02:33 AM	#48
TheMasterOfOrion Fleet Captain	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons thanks for the responses, some good thoughtful replies here. Seems melee or traditional firearms might pose a problem for one or two drones but overall its something the Borg hivemind can easily deal with. If they start losing numbers then the Borg might consider setting up a force field otherwise its a waste of energy to have their shields up all the time.

June 28 2009, 10:15 AM	#49
Deks Rear Admiral	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons It begs the question as to why would tommy type gun bullets (even with safeties off) even penetrate Borg drones body armor to begin with? I mean seriously. __________________ We are who we choose to be but also have predefined aspects of our personalities we are born with, and make art that defines us.

June 28 2009, 01:24 PM	#51
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June 28 2009, 04:27 PM	#52
Anticitizen Fleet Captain Location: Black Mesa Research Facility	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons What Starfleet is lacking is a crowd of cute, fuzzy Ewoks, using sticks and rope and homemade gliding machines as the ultimate weapon against the Borg.

June 30 2009, 07:44 PM	#57
Omega_Glory Commodore Location: Colorado, USA	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons ^^^^Have they specifically stated that Borg ships will block someone else's transport beam if there is something specific being transported. I have never heard this. For that matter, phaser weapons on overload could cause massive damage inside a borg ship or installation. If they did block other transport beams because of destructive materials being transported, they wouldn't allow phasers or other overload capable power sources on board either. But boarding parties do get on board with such destructive weapons. Given what's been shown on Trek over the years, the Borg would not survive as a space-faring civilization for very long....there's too many life forms who would die for the cause and blow em' up.

June 30 2009, 07:51 PM	#58
Herkimer Jitty Rear Admiral Location: Herkimer Jitty	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons Neither would the Federation, mind you. They're even more space-stupid than the Borg. __________________ Fans are like space heaters. All we have to offer is hot air.

June 30 2009, 07:53 PM	#59
Star Wolf Rear Admiral Location: ciudad de Los Angeles	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons Only thing is the phaser on overload seems no more dangerous then a hand grenade, The beam in WMD trick only worked a few times on Atlantis and the Wraith assimilated and adapted. For the Borg after many lifetimes of assimilation they may be willing to trade a drone or two but not a cube to gain information __________________ I'm not crazy! All I Really Need to Know I learned by Watching The Wire

July 1 2009, 05:25 PM	#60
Omega_Glory Commodore Location: Colorado, USA	Re: Borg vs kenetic weapons But the beam-in WMD was never said to be impossible in Trek so one couldn't rule it out.