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Old June 22 2009, 10:15 PM   #76
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I can only imagine what Mr. Probert would have done with CAD at his disposal. I knew there was only so much that could be done On 2D. 3D is a great error check for intruding objects.
Mr. Probert makes some comments about working with computers on design in this thread: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=34669

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I know some have already talked about design already but I have say my biggest problem with the Excelsior and Enterprise Class starships was the ill placed Power unit in the Spine of the Secondary hull. It was far too vulnerable. (Then again it made for a great sequence)

You chose the best best ship.
I really only have that problem with the "Enterprise Class" (Constitution Refit). The Excelsior has a much beefier neck, allowing the VIC to fit much better, and safely. I am tossing around in my head the idea of doing Excelsior next... though it is in a tight fight with Miranda. First, I'm going to finish Enterprise.
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Old June 23 2009, 01:30 AM   #77
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Tonight's Neck Work sucked. I won't even bother posting the results, since I am tossing them out and starting fresh. Maybe I'll have something to show tomorrow.
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Old June 23 2009, 03:00 AM   #78
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I am tossing around in my head the idea of doing Excelsior next... though it is in a tight fight with Miranda. First, I'm going to finish Enterprise.
Obviously the choice is yours, but a number of people have made efforts to map out the Miranda, albeit in 2D. The Excelsior is a clean slate, as far as I'm aware, which might make it more fun to work on.
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Old June 23 2009, 03:52 AM   #79
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FYI - Mr. Probert has actually been known to post on these boards from time to time. I don't know if he has actually looked at this thread, or my implementation of his designs in here, but you can find quite a few of his perspectives on other projects around the franchise if you poke around.
Yup, I've peeked in a few times and it looks like you're doing an amazing job. I would have liked to discuss the cargo area a bit but you were already pretty well into it. Incidentally, you might be interested to know that the turbo tube doors are curved in that area and your rectangular door enclosures are unneeded. As far as my sliding secondary deck and the adjacent lifeboat housings are concerned, those details are for another time... small points considering what all you've accomplished.

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Old June 23 2009, 04:00 AM   #80
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Ooops, I just spotted a few cargo deck lifeboats,... nice.
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Old June 23 2009, 12:45 PM   #81
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Has anyone noticed that the Plasma Transfer Conduit to the Engines travels on the highly exposed top deck of the Excelsior's Secondary Hull? I guess there was really noway to avoid it with this design. The aft end it quite thin.

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I am tossing around in my head the idea of doing Excelsior next... though it is in a tight fight with Miranda. First, I'm going to finish Enterprise.
Obviously the choice is yours, but a number of people have made efforts to map out the Miranda, albeit in 2D. The Excelsior is a clean slate, as far as I'm aware, which might make it more fun to work on.

FaltorPan & CTM,
Shocking for me to say but Excelsior deserves it more than Miranda.
CTM, have you learned to do fly by's in CAD yet?

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Yup, I've peeked in a few times and it looks like you're doing an amazing job. I would have liked to discuss the cargo area a bit but you were already pretty well into it. Incidentally, you might be interested to know that the turbo tube doors are curved in that area and your rectangular door enclosures are unneeded. As far as my sliding secondary deck and the adjacent lifeboat housings are concerned, those details are for another time... small points considering what all you've accomplished.

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A pleasure to meet you Mr. Probert.
I've appreciated your work on the franchise.
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Old June 23 2009, 01:56 PM   #82
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FYI - Mr. Probert has actually been known to post on these boards from time to time. I don't know if he has actually looked at this thread, or my implementation of his designs in here, but you can find quite a few of his perspectives on other projects around the franchise if you poke around.
Yup, I've peeked in a few times and it looks like you're doing an amazing job. I would have liked to discuss the cargo area a bit but you were already pretty well into it. Incidentally, you might be interested to know that the turbo tube doors are curved in that area and your rectangular door enclosures are unneeded. As far as my sliding secondary deck and the adjacent lifeboat housings are concerned, those details are for another time... small points considering what all you've accomplished.

Andrew-
Thank you for your notice Mr. Probert. This is still very much a work in progress, and I welcome any additional insight you can grant me. The nature of this CAD model is such that literally everything can still be changed quite easily - and many things still will be. For example, the Turbolifts as you pointed out have curved doors in that area. At present, I am simply dropping in a pre-defined model block of the turbolift, tube, and square door assembly. This is mostly so I can keep track of where the lift stations are. I fully intend to go back and swap out these (and any others that require it) with more customized lift stations. I have also been letting the overall fitting of the cargo-bay into the secondary hull knock around my head for a while - and I'm seriously looking at either re-sizing either the deck or the whole secondary hull to make it work. Consider this a "first draft" (although a very detailed first draft), and if you are willing to disabuse me of any of my misconceptions or misinterpretations, I am happy to learn from the process - and make this a more accurate model.

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Old June 23 2009, 02:02 PM   #83
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I am tossing around in my head the idea of doing Excelsior next... though it is in a tight fight with Miranda. First, I'm going to finish Enterprise.
Obviously the choice is yours, but a number of people have made efforts to map out the Miranda, albeit in 2D. The Excelsior is a clean slate, as far as I'm aware, which might make it more fun to work on.

FaltorPan & CTM,
Shocking for me to say but Excelsior deserves it more than Miranda.
CTM, have you learned to do fly by's in CAD yet?
My reason for doing the Miranda has more to do with having an available "set" for my role-playing group than anything else. I will be using this Enterprise as a set for a refit of the FASA Constitution class when it is finished, and a Miranda would be a good choice as a contemporary. I imagine it would be easier to do than Enterprise, as it is not nearly as complex a fitting problem - nor do we have as many visible interiors of the Miranda's as we do of the Enterprise to have to find a way to fit inside.

The Excelsior is a good choice for the reasons stated, but my role-playing group won't have need of an Excelsior for quite a while. I figure I could throw together a Miranda by using much of the primitives from this model, and then take Cary L Brown's approach to the TOS Enterprise and apply it to the Excelsior.
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Old June 23 2009, 02:48 PM   #84
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I was thinking you'd do Miranda because like the movie much was the same in the design. I like modular designs. Makes more sense in Fleets.

I can't wait to see this with a Transparent hull...
I don't know how to do it in Auto CAD 2007 because they've done something different with the materials library but Auto CAD 14 makes it simple application and removal.
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Old June 23 2009, 03:48 PM   #85
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I was thinking you'd do Miranda because like the movie much was the same in the design. I like modular designs. Makes more sense in Fleets.

I can't wait to see this with a Transparent hull...
I don't know how to do it in Auto CAD 2007 because they've done something different with the materials library but Auto CAD 14 makes it simple application and removal.
I'm building the hull on a separate layer, so I just turn it on or off if I want to see through it.
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Old June 23 2009, 06:42 PM   #86
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It's more than that. It's an incredible visual effect. Like looking at the human body with the skin barely visible. CAD has colored transparencies that when added with a light souce make really intresting effects.
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Old June 23 2009, 10:08 PM   #87
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Not in my ancient copy :-D
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Old June 26 2009, 07:40 PM   #88
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How big is this file sofar?
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Old June 27 2009, 03:38 PM   #89
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How big is this file sofar?
Just over 98MB
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Old June 27 2009, 04:19 PM   #90
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How big is this file sofar?
Just over 98MB
Dude, ya need to invest a few $$$ in a new powerhouse machine and new software.

98MB is TINY. That's like a single texture in "modern" terms.

Seriously, though... I'm impressed by what you've done so far, but can't help but think what you could do with better tools.
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