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Old June 24 2009, 07:12 PM   #16
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Re: Infinite Crisis Lead-Ins

So were O.G. Green Lantern and Mr. Fantastic still on the JSA while they were in Checkmate? That was one of the weird things about the series, having Alan Scott in charge of a secret quasi-evil government conspiracy.
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Old June 25 2009, 12:17 AM   #17
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Yes, they were. Mr. Terrific stepped down as the chairperson though.

I thought Alan was a great fit, because the point of the series is the "good guys" trying to change Checkmate into a legitimate organization.



Rucka's final arc on the series really dealt with how the superhero community came to view the "new" Checkmate.
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Old June 26 2009, 03:09 AM   #18
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Frankly I don't like this idea of Superboy prime as the villain - maybe I'm being a unidimensional fanboy here but I absolutely hated the fact that Superboy is now a villain. Of all the pantheons of Big Bads that are available in the universe why did they have to go with taking a "good guy" and turning him bad?

I understand how this is not the Superboy that I remember reading all those Smallville stories about and that Crisis on Infinite Earths changed it and all that. But still... Superboy is evil?!!

Because he was the only one locked up with Alex Luthor. Except Kal-L, whom they wanted to keep a good guy. I guess Superboy Prime didn't have to go as off the deep end as he did, but I liked it alright. I mean, for ten years, he was locked in a room with a guy just like him except better in every way--and who actually got to bring a woman with him, to boot! Going crazy's believable.

I haven't really followed what they've done with Superboy Prime since, but I understand it's been rather bad. "I'm going to kill you to death" and so on, which is either the worst line in comics history, or, possibly, the best.
If I remember correctly, either Superboy or Luthor Prime or possibly both were introduced a few years before Crisis on Infinite Earths. I believe it was in DC Comics Presents. Back then Prime Earth was supposed to be our Earth.

Actually, on another tangent, there were a bunch of titles that spun off from Infinite Crisis, most of which did not even survive more than a couple of years and have already long been cancelled. Isn't Blue Beetle the only one of these still being published?

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Old June 26 2009, 03:52 AM   #19
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My wiki-understanding is that Superboy-Prime was introduced in a single issue at the same time as the Original Crisis and then he was in that and that's it till Infinite Crisis.
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Old June 26 2009, 03:54 AM   #20
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Superman Prime as he's currently known right now is starring in the long winded Legion of Three Worlds Final Crisis special, Superboy Prime as he was known in Infinite Crisis is from Earth Prime and I think it's been stated that he is the Clark Kent from Kurt Busiek's excellent Superman: Secret Idenity about a Superman in a world without superheroes. His origins are explained I think in the Superman: Infinite Crisis TPB.

OMAC Project, Villans United were both good, I would say OMAC Project is most imporant and must read material.
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Old June 26 2009, 04:21 AM   #21
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^ He can't be the same character appearing in Secret Identity. That CK grows up, gets married, has kids, kids have powers, etc.

There is no way it can be the same character, unless we are thinking of different stories.

EDIT: According to Wikipedia (the site of all goodness and accuracy), Busiek was only inspired by Earth-Prime Superboy in his first appearance.
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Old June 26 2009, 06:12 AM   #22
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Ah okay...in Superman Infinite Crisis though it shows Clark watching his birthday and he mentions his girlfriend Laurie, it's been a while since I read Secret Identity but I seem to recall that his girlfriend's name was Laurie. Again I could be wrong...anyway it doesn't matter I only read that on another board so take it for what it's worth. I always thought it would be funny if Superboy Prime was really Smallville Clark Kent LOL. Now that is how I see the character, as an unrealized but still full of potential Superman that went wacko.
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Old June 26 2009, 08:20 AM   #23
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I have all 4 Countdown tradess. The most compelling and relevant, as others pointed, is Omac Project. Vengeance focuses on magical beings in DCU (Eclipso takes over Jean Loring and wants to control the Specter.) RT War focuses on an interstellar conflict featuring on Hawkman, Adam Strange and alien key players. Villains Uniteds is also closely tied in, and related to events in Identity Crisis; bad guyshave found out about the JL use of mindwipe on crooks and form a supergroup headed by Luthor, or so it seems. Guy named Mockingbird leads a small team of baddies. That Catman is sooooo sexy...
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Old June 26 2009, 04:21 PM   #24
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If I remember correctly, either Superboy or Luthor Prime or possibly both were introduced a few years before Crisis on Infinite Earths. I believe it was in DC Comics Presents. Back then Prime Earth was supposed to be our Earth.
Actually, neither character made their appearance before the Crisis (well, there actually was no Luthor Prime. Are you thinking of Alexander Luthor, Alex Luthor's father, the only hero on Earth-3? I can't find a record of his first appearance, unless it was in Crisis on Infinite Earths #1).

Superboy Prime made his debut in DC Comics Presents #87, which was dated November 1985. CoIE began in April 1985.

Actually, on another tangent, there were a bunch of titles that spun off from Infinite Crisis, most of which did not even survive more than a couple of years and have already long been canceled. Isn't Blue Beetle the only one of these still being published?
Sadly, Blue Beetle was canceled earlier this year at issue #36. It is now the second feature in Booster Gold.

And, I guess it depends on what you view as a title spun off from Infinite Crisis, as several titles were, such as Wonder Woman, Justice League of America, and a little later on, Justice Society of America. All three of those titles are still on-going.

Flash: Fasted Man Alive restarted similar to those titles, but after Bart's death, the numbering reverted to Wally's run. Either way, the title is now canceled, awaiting a new Flash #1, presumably with Barry, though nothing's been revealed yet.

As far as the new characters/teams launched in the wake of Infinite Crisis, yes, I do think they are all now canceled. Checkmate lasted 30 odd issues (though only the first 25, Rucka and later Rucka/Trautmann penned issues are worthwhile), Shadowpact ran for 25 issues, as did The All New Atom.

The other series, like Freedom Fighters and OMAC were mini-series.
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Old June 26 2009, 05:19 PM   #25
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Villains United was a fun read, and the most interesting of the bunch for me.

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Rann-Thanagar War is absolutely horrible, I'd actually recommend not reading it.
Rann-Thanagar War is not very good. Evens so, it does serve as a spring board for some decent Adam Strange (and a rotating cast of space-based characters including Starman and Bizzarro) mini-series that followed.
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Old June 27 2009, 02:04 AM   #26
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It was also preceded by an excellent mini-series, Adam Strange: Planet Heist. I remember I loved Andy Diggle's story and was immensely disappointed by Rann-Thanagar War. One of those cases where the set-up is so great, and the follow-through is not so great.
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Old June 27 2009, 10:07 PM   #27
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If I remember correctly, either Superboy or Luthor Prime or possibly both were introduced a few years before Crisis on Infinite Earths. I believe it was in DC Comics Presents. Back then Prime Earth was supposed to be our Earth.
Actually, neither character made their appearance before the Crisis (well, there actually was no Luthor Prime. Are you thinking of Alexander Luthor, Alex Luthor's father, the only hero on Earth-3? I can't find a record of his first appearance, unless it was in Crisis on Infinite Earths #1).

Superboy Prime made his debut in DC Comics Presents #87, which was dated November 1985. CoIE began in April 1985.
Okay, thanks. I guess I misremembered some of that, but that's cool. I should go back and re-read the original Crisis again as it marked an end of my DC reading days for a good long time afterward.
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Old June 28 2009, 05:12 AM   #28
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Be warned though, I hold with Scipio of The Absorbascon, it did not age well...though I guess he argues it wasn't well written 20+ years ago, either.
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