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Old June 25 2009, 07:33 AM   #16
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i didn't think they were racial stereotypes anymore than i thought Jazz was. it's not like they're BLACK and talking like it. one's green and one's red. they sound more like redneck hicks.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:36 PM   #17
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i didn't think they were racial stereotypes anymore than i thought Jazz was. it's not like they're BLACK and talking like it. one's green and one's red. they sound more like redneck hicks.
That's what I thought too.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:41 PM   #18
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I would have said they sounded more like rednecks than the sterotyped black person. Nobody complained about Jazz in the first film.

And we're forgetting the fundamental flaw in this arguement - THEY ARE ROBOTS. Not to mention they studied Earth's languages through the World Wide Web. I'm surprised none of them talked in lulz.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:42 PM   #19
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I would have said they sounded more like rednecks than the sterotyped black person. Nobody complained about Jazz in the first film.

And we're forgetting the fundamental flaw in this arguement - THEY ARE ROBOTS. Not to mention they studied Earth's languages through the World Wide Web. I'm surprised none of them talked in lulz.
The fact that he was an alien never stopped the Jar Jar complaints.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:16 PM   #20
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i didn't think they were racial stereotypes anymore than i thought Jazz was. it's not like they're BLACK and talking like it. one's green and one's red. they sound more like redneck hicks.
I agree with this. My problem with Mudflap and Skids was not the "racial stereotyping", it's that they were ugly, annoying characters. They were like Gremlins on ecstasy or something.

To be fair, they get one very cool/heroic scene, but it doesn't quite wash away the bad taste of the rest of their presence in the film.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:17 PM   #21
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i didn't think they were racial stereotypes anymore than i thought Jazz was. it's not like they're BLACK and talking like it. one's green and one's red. they sound more like redneck hicks.
I agree with this. My problem with Mudflap and Skids was not the "racial stereotyping", it's that they were ugly, annoying characters. They were like Gremlins on ecstasy or something.

To be fair, they get one very cool/heroic scene, but it doesn't quite wash away the bad taste of the rest of their presence in the film.
I quite liked them, but yeah, they did remind me of Gremlins.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:18 PM   #22
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I would have said they sounded more like rednecks than the sterotyped black person. Nobody complained about Jazz in the first film.

And we're forgetting the fundamental flaw in this arguement - THEY ARE ROBOTS. Not to mention they studied Earth's languages through the World Wide Web. I'm surprised none of them talked in lulz.
The fact that he was an alien never stopped the Jar Jar complaints.
Because Jar Jar was a cunt.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:22 PM   #23
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I would have said they sounded more like rednecks than the sterotyped black person. Nobody complained about Jazz in the first film.

And we're forgetting the fundamental flaw in this arguement - THEY ARE ROBOTS. Not to mention they studied Earth's languages through the World Wide Web. I'm surprised none of them talked in lulz.
The fact that he was an alien never stopped the Jar Jar complaints.
Because Jar Jar was a cunt.
But was he a black cunt, or just a cunt?
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Old June 25 2009, 02:46 PM   #24
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Just a cunt Bob, just a cunt.
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I think that people who want to see racism in two unimportant movie characters should find something better to do with their time.

Besides, is it okay if they were based on rednecks and not if they were based on black people? Still stereotyping...
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Old June 25 2009, 03:22 PM   #26
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i did like the bit where Bumblebee picked them up and smacked them together...

and
"that hurt!"
"it was supposed to! it was an ass whuppin'!"
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Old June 25 2009, 05:26 PM   #27
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I think that people who want to see racism in two unimportant movie characters should find something better to do with their time.

Besides, is it okay if they were based on rednecks and not if they were based on black people? Still stereotyping...
Did somebody say that was okay while I wasn't looking?

Honestly, I'd care more about this if the movie was by a different director, wasn't based on a toy line of all things, and hadn't been so thoroughly trashed by the critics.
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i didn't think they were racial stereotypes anymore than i thought Jazz was. it's not like they're BLACK and talking like it. one's green and one's red. they sound more like redneck hicks.
Seriously. I know entirely too many white people who act like they do.
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Old June 25 2009, 05:41 PM   #29
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Is it true that the hand-wringing POTUS in the film is named Obama?
Obama is the president in the film, yes. But he's not hand-wringing. In fact we never see him at all. He's only mentioned once: in one line that says he's being moved to a secure location. That's it.
Thats not true. We do indeed see Obama. But only in the backround on tv and it was just news footage of him. So he was actually on screen..
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Old June 25 2009, 05:50 PM   #30
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I would have said they sounded more like rednecks than the sterotyped black person. Nobody complained about Jazz in the first film.

And we're forgetting the fundamental flaw in this arguement - THEY ARE ROBOTS. Not to mention they studied Earth's languages through the World Wide Web. I'm surprised none of them talked in lulz.
The fact that he was an alien never stopped the Jar Jar complaints.
And yet the heads of the Trade Federation got a pass.
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