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Old June 25 2009, 04:04 AM   #1
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Majority of tie-in literature bad?

Although I do love some tie in stuff (like KRAD's Gorkon books), it seems to me that a lot of tie in lit pushes believability and milks the setting.

I.E. about a million apocalyptic borg invasions, genesis waves, et al, that leave the quadrant looking much the same afterward, and are often thwarted by a handful of people. Thats kinda the definition of 'fanwank'. I guess we can blame Voyager for turning the borg from a seldom-used terror device, into an everyday disturbance.

Although I hear the latest USS Aventine novels have changed that tendancy a bit, and the new MMO is making the galaxy a bit different - the Pocketbooks Trek novel universe kinda has a reputation in my mind as not evolving naturally, and often pushing internal believability within the setting, by repeatedly having a small set of people 'save the galaxy'.

Maybe Star Trek lit should be a bit tighter directed?

Maybe it should aim to be more like non tie-in science fiction lit?

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Old June 25 2009, 04:47 AM   #2
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

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Although I do love some tie in stuff (like KRAD's Gorkon books), it seems to me that a lot of tie in lit pushes believability and milks the setting.

I.E. about a million apocalyptic borg invasions, genesis waves, et al, that leave the quadrant looking much the same afterward, and are often thwarted by a handful of people.
There's only been one apocalyptic Borg invasion (preceded by two relatively minor incidents), and it's left the quadrant looking profoundly different, as will become evident in further upcoming novels. It was thwarted through the combined efforts of many people.

It's true that there has been a tendency to overuse the big, galaxy-shaking crises over the past decade, but I kind of think Destiny is going to be the final word on that for a while, since how do you top it?


Maybe it should aim to be more like non tie-in science fiction lit?
That's what Trek literature has been doing ever since Marco Palmieri became its editor. I've written most of my Trek novels using the same creative sensibilities I would've used in writing an original SF novel, allowing for the looser science of the Trekverse. In fact, my latest Trek novel is largely based on an unpublished original SF novel of mine.


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Uhh, the Klingons have been the Federation's allies for over 30 years in-story, aside from a couple of seasons' worth of DS9. The Romulans became the Federation's allies during the Dominion War, and relations since then have been mixed.


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Okay, you really haven't read Destiny, have you? Or the series of novels following it that are pretty much entirely about exploring the fallout of its events?
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Old June 25 2009, 04:51 AM   #3
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

SpaceLama, welcome to the board hope you enjoy your stay.

FYI, specific story ideas are not permitted in the Trek Lit forum because we have several professional authors that post and read this forum regularly and there are various legal considerations with that.

So, I have edited those parts out of your post.
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Old June 25 2009, 05:42 AM   #4
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

Uh, yeah.

Go read the Destiny trilogy and the latest Voyager book. And the Titan books. Then we can talk, I think.
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Old June 25 2009, 06:26 AM   #5
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

Dude, have you actually read any of the stuff that you are talking about? It sure doesn't sound like it to me.
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Old June 25 2009, 08:23 AM   #6
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

Well, there's nothing quite like an uninformed opinion...
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Old June 25 2009, 09:57 AM   #7
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

To be honest, I was expecting more destruction in the Destiny trilogy than what we got.
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Old June 25 2009, 10:18 AM   #8
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

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Although I do love some tie in stuff............
You sir are talking out of your arse!

Go and actually read the books and you'll find that every single one of your points is either slightly or gastronomically off.

Oh and welcome to the board
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Old June 25 2009, 10:59 AM   #9
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

I find the majority of 21st century Trek literature thoughtful and professional. Dismissing fiction because it is media tie-in is a mistake made by many, and somewhat insulting to the authors who work hard and to a high professional standard to write them. To complete a "Star Trek" novel often takes tremendous amounts of research into a variety of fields, and with the tendency towards continuity nowadays, the aftermath of other stories is also often taken into consideration.

Others have beaten me to this point, but there was only a single apocalyptic Borg invasion, there won't be another (that much is pretty much certain) and the consequences and aftermath have been dealt with by several novels with an entire series in 2010 built out of one of the developments.

As for believability, I've heard many people at one point or another compain that "it's always one major crisis after another in Star Trek", as though this is unbelievable. I have never understood this argument. Look at real life: there is always a crisis or three brewing on this planet. If one nation hasn't suffered a major earthquake or tsunami, then another has a deadly epidemic or there's a war brewing between another two nations. There'll be coups and famines and civil wars and genocides and floods, all legitimately considered major crises. This is only one planet. If in reality one planet can be such a constant source of problems, why would an entire galaxy be any different? If anything, it's more believable that Starfleet spends a great deal of time zipping around putting out fires.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:09 PM   #10
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

I think some people over reacted to what I said. Its just my opinion. If you find any truth to it, hopefully it was constructive. If not, please disregard it.

@Deranged - I respect any author, but I have read tie in fiction for years, mainly Star Trek, but also some Star Wars, etc, and I notaced that pattern. I havent read the latest Destiny books, but the synopsis and talk about them, suggests that they are similar. Part of my reason for creating this thread, is to try to determine whether they are worth getting. So far, I havent heard any compelling reasons.

Its a pity part of my post got deleted, because one of the things I asked there was specific to the post Destiny novels i.e. (spoiler tags didn't work for some reason).

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To be honest, I was expecting more destruction in the Destiny trilogy than what we got.
Here is at least one person who seems to confirm what I suspected about the new novels. Anyone else have any counter point?
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Old June 25 2009, 01:48 PM   #11
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

Which books have you read?

Trust me . . . a year ago, I probably would have agreed with you. I mean, outside of the DS9 Relaunch and The Lost Era, I wasnt exactly thrilled with Trek Lit. But then I read Destiny and it's made me want to re-read a lot of books and has me actually EXCITED to go back and read what I earlier dismissed.

Read "Destiny." It's genius.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:48 PM   #12
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So far, I havent heard any compelling reasons.
You haven't read enough people saying the trilogy is bloody good, status-quo-shaking, pure entertainment?
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Old June 25 2009, 01:54 PM   #13
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

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To be honest, I was expecting more destruction in the Destiny trilogy than what we got.
Here is at least one person who seems to confirm what I suspected about the new novels. Anyone else have any counter point?
I apologise if I am misunderstanding your points, but I'm confused. You suspected there to be more destruction than Sxottlan is suggesting we got? You suggested the "Destiny" and post-"Destiny" books sounded "different" from how you perceive the majority of Trek books. Since you perceive them to be unrealistic crisis after unrealistic crisis, what is it about less destruction in "Destiny" that appeals to you? An apocalyptic war with less destruction seems an odd thing to like. Surely you either want no apocalyptic war, or an apocalyptic war where the destruction is at a believably high level and handled with dignity and soberity? Again, I apologise, but I'm not sure what you mean here.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:06 PM   #14
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Re: Majority of tie-in literature bad?

I am not sure what you mean either - I was pointing to less destruction as being potentially unrealistic.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:13 PM   #15
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Which books have you read?

Trust me . . . a year ago, I probably would have agreed with you. I mean, outside of the DS9 Relaunch and The Lost Era, I wasnt exactly thrilled with Trek Lit. But then I read Destiny and it's made me want to re-read a lot of books and has me actually EXCITED to go back and read what I earlier dismissed.

Read "Destiny." It's genius.
Thanks. I might give them a go then. If its really improved that much in a year or two.

My favorite series are Lost Era and IKS Gorkon, although Ive read a lot of other stuff, like Genesis Wave, Vanguard, Section 31, Errand of Vengence, Errand of Fury, Vulcan's Heart and various other books, some of which disappointed me somewhat. The comics have been pretty good - the quality of tie in comics for Star Wars and Star Trek suprises me. KRAD is my favorite author.
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