Captain America... Spoilers

[RJDiogenes]

I wonder if there will ever be a day when I'll have an interest in reading Marvel again.

There should be a website that keeps a scorecard of who's dead and who's alive this week. Are Janet van Dyne and Sue Richards still dead? Bill Foster? What about Batman? And Sue Dibny?

[CaptainCanada]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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Are Janet van Dyne and Sue Richards still dead? Bill Foster? What about Batman? And Sue Dibny?

Jan's dead (she recently showed up in iHerc in casino-Hell gambling for a resurrection.). Sue was never dead. The ultra-minor Bill Foster remains dead.

Those latter two are DC; the former was never dead either, he's in a cycle of death and rebirth (though nobody else knows that at the moment).

[The Evil Dead]

So now Bruce Wayne is the only superhero who is dead that we are waiting to return?

[DarthPipes]

I always liked Steve Rogers and his Captain America is important. But I like Captain America under Bucky better.

[Mr Light]

I just bought the first two trades of "Death of Cap", do I need to read the four trades that proceeded it? That would be #1-24. I also got "Fallen Son", should I read that before the first Death trade or concurrently with it?

[Dream]

Does the new Cap still look like this?

[Mike Farley]

*sigh* Everytime the talk turns to Cap, someone has to dredge up that old picture. Can we please leave in in the 90's where it belongs?

The Evil Dead wrote:

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So now Bruce Wayne is the only superhero who is dead that we are waiting to return?

Bruce Wayne is not dead. He didn't die in RIP and he didn't die in FINAL CRISIS.

[Guy Gardener]

I'm kinda peeved that Bucky hasn't really done anything super extreme in the last two years?

What is his legacy?

[Broccoli]

Dream wrote:

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Does the new Cap still look like this?

That's not Captain America.

It's Major Boobage!

[Kestrel]

Hermiod wrote:

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^Scotty the Adulterer is about the first interesting thing ever to happen to the character.

I think a few people forget how Jean was behaving when it started, too.

You do realize that "Scotty the Adulterer" is an (unfortunate) history of his, right? I mean, I love Cyclops, but it's kinda hard to ignore the fact that he has an unhappy history with telepaths. It sucks, because otherwise Slim is pretty much a paragon of virtue, but not an annoying paladin-type.

"I LOOVE you Madeline, let's get married and have a baby."
"No wait, Jean's back, I LOOOVE her, I'm leaving you."

Wiki says it best:
"When he married Madelyne Pryor, Scott had thought he had found a replacement for Jean. Over time however, he realized that while Maddie looked like Jean, it was not her emotionally. Scott then began to emotionally distance himself, while fixating unhealthily on Jean. Scott would later leave Maddie and their child, upon hearing of Jean's return." (emphasis mine)

And blaming Jean for Scott's infidelity is weak sauce and classic blame-the-woman thinking. What makes it worse is he tried to excuse it because it's telepathic and therefore not real. The hell? Buddy, your wife is a telepath!

Leaving aside that though, the Scott/Jean romance is in the Top Five Ever of superhero stories, so how can you say breaking that up is the first interesting thing to happen to the character? Did you enjoy breaking up Peter/MJ also?

Thrall wrote:

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Well, yeah, they would keep him around. He brought in a lot of the glitter vamps who would never read a Captain America book normally.

You mock, but Marvel could use some of those so-called "glitter vamps" if you want any sort of readership even approaching pop-culture levels instead of the tiny, sad shell of what it once was. Just look at what "Star Trek" has done for the cultural awareness (let alone perception) of this very board's subject matter!

Newski wrote:

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How about they create a character not based on the archetypes, and let the character develop?

You mean like working with your archetypical brainwashed assassin, letting him grow and develop into the man he could have been? Letting him struggle internally, trying hard to live up to the ideals of his once-mentor - and pretty much succeeding? You mean that sort of development, where a pitiless killer pulls himself up by his bootstraps into an actual hero?

[CaptainCanada]

Mr Light wrote:

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I just bought the first two trades of "Death of Cap", do I need to read the four trades that proceeded it? That would be #1-24. I also got "Fallen Son", should I read that before the first Death trade or concurrently with it?

You don't need to read the preceding trades, though they're great stories on their own. Fallen Son is a sideproject; doesn't really matter how you choose to read it, it doesn't affect the main title.

[Guy Gardener]

I more thought Alex was more of a bastard for shacking up with Maddie after Scottie was finished with her. Doesn't that mean that he owes his brother a night or two with Lorna?

Black widow is almost 70. Bucky is only that old on paper. He's spent most of the last 8 decades sleeping, even if the Super... Wait? Bucky wasn't a Super Soilder? How the hell did he survive being frozen after he fell off the skulls rocket?

[Broccoli]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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I more thought Alex was more of a bastard for shacking up with Maddie after Scottie was finished with her. Doesn't that mean that he owes his brother a night or two with Lorna?

Black widow is almost 70. Bucky is only that old on paper. He's spent most of the last 8 decades sleeping, even if the Super... Wait? Bucky wasn't a Super Soilder? How the hell did he survive being frozen after he fell off the skulls rocket?

The Wizard did it...

[LutherSloan]

The interview IGN did with the Marvel execs makes it sound like Steve Rogers is not necessarily going back to being Captain America again. It would make sense for him to take over at SHIELD once this Dark Reign thing is done.

[Newski]

Kestrel wrote:

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You mean like working with your archetypical brainwashed assassin, letting him grow and develop into the man he could have been? Letting him struggle internally, trying hard to live up to the ideals of his once-mentor - and pretty much succeeding? You mean that sort of development, where a pitiless killer pulls himself up by his bootstraps into an actual hero?

The point was he was built around being this troubled person, he was designed to be this darker edgier character, tailor made for a generation raised on The Punisher and other anti heroes. A generation who is more interested in how much heroes cry than anything else.